Ok - punt your names in here if you're up for it:
http://electronicmuseum.org.uk/2011/08/18/wordpress-culture-hackday-anyone/
Jon - cheers, but I think there's value in doing one which is specifically
CH focused... but we'll see who expresses an interest :-)
Mike
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On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Jon Pratty
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> What's that you say sir? You'd like a Wordpress hack day, sir?
>
> Actually, we're having one at Brighton Digital Festival [all through
> September] though it's mostly aimed at general web user needs, rather than
> culture sector users specifically. Have a look here:
> http://www.wp-brighton.org.uk/
>
> And also see what's on in the rest of the Festival too - major conferences
> like dConstruct and Flash on the Beach, UXcamp, RSA/CityCamp, BrightonSEO
> and Brighton Digital Marketing Festival. Not to mention a major collection
> of digital arts seminars, geek comedy gigs, an LGBT tech day, a mini-Maker
> Faire and lots more. If you work at Tate and you're struggling to keep up,
> there's even a Drupal Discovery Day!
>
> http://brightondigitalfestival.co.uk/
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Bonewell, Perry
> Sent: 18 August 2011 09:48
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: What would an open source museum CMS look like?
>
> > Thinking that I might put together a "Wordpress for Culture"
> hackday....
> Anyone in?
>
> Sounds good to me!
>
> I completely agree on the point about the community aspect of WordPress
> being a major advantage. My feeling is that museums could only benefit
> from an eco-system on this kind of scale (even if it the platform may
> never be considered to be "perfect", whatever that means).
>
> I am also keen on developing stuff that others can use but in the spirit
> of what I would like to achieve I know that I can't do this alone (my
> developer skills are almost non-existent for starters).
>
> Perry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Mike Ellis
> Sent: 18 August 2011 09:07
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: What would an open source museum CMS look like?
>
> Blimey, you turn your back for five minutes and a thread the size of the
> BM explodes on the MCG... :-)
>
> Brilliant posts - thanks everyone. Couple of misc thoughts:
>
> > The thing that always seems to be missing in CMS conversations (or
> represented far too low down in order of importance) is usability. And
> by that I mean usability for the editors, not the front-end. One of the
> whole points about CMS is to enable non-technical people to edit
> content, and yet it is here for these non-technical types that many
> CMS's fail..
>
> > The perennially awful thing about almost all of them is the rich text
> editing. I found it totally astounding for example that Sitecore - the
> incumbent CMS at NMSI - has a mindblowingly flexible API that do and
> talk to pretty much anything. Try and actually *edit* some text or
> *gasp* paste from Word? Result: horrible markup and frustrated users...
>
> > The reasons for choosing O/S are as much about the community that sit
> around the product as anything else. Wordpress is a blinding platform
> because you can always find answers to questions. The community is
> enormous, and growing. This isn't me saying WP is the right platform for
> museum sites (although I think WP is a damn good answer for many sites
> *up to a certain
> scale*) - but that the "bespoke vs open" thing isn't just about the
> licensing.
>
> > I don't think Drupal can ever be presented as a "plug and play"
> > solution
> :-)
>
> Personally I think Nick and Danny nailed it - there is no single
> solution, and the best response to this is surely building plugins,
> modules and connectors.
>
> Thinking that I might put together a "Wordpress for Culture" hackday....
> Anyone in?
>
> Mike
>
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>
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Cristiano Bianchi | Keepthinking <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Or maybe to have one system that does it all, in terms of (extended)
> > content management.
> >
> > Website, collection (both internal information, the 'real; collection
> > management, as well as the web display of collections), exhibition and
>
> > events. And everything else that a museum or gallery needs. Plus the
> > shop (e-commerce for tickets, donations, merchandise, membership,
> > etc), all integrated into one, single database, and managed using one
> > integrated, web based software. With no compromises in terms of
> > quantity and quality of meta-data you can have, flexibility to adapt
> > to individual and changing needs, access to external resources and
> > vocabularies (e.g. Getty), mapping to ontologies (e.g. CIDOC-CRM, Lido
>
> > or Dublin Core), integrated rights and digital asset management (local
>
> > as well as online), production of reports in PDF as well as XML, APIs
> > (that can easily This would cover most of the needs of any small of
> > large museum, leaving out (thanks to Nick Poole for his excellent
> analysis):
> >
> > - School Group Bookings Systems
> > - Office/productivity systems (including Contacts systems)
> > - Customer Relationship Management Systems
> >
> > The problem we have with Drupal and the likes is that... we already
> have
> > such a system, which has been built from scratch over the last ten
> > years following our work with museums and galleries. In time (next
> > year) will integrate what is outstanding. Should that system be open
> > source? It can be, if we find a compelling reason for it: in any case
> > we do not charge a license fee for it, only implementation (i.e. we do
>
> > not make money from selling it, at this stage).
> >
> > And regarding what Tim Trent said:
> >
> > > I think the most important WCMS element is WYSIWYG.
> >
> > With similar vigour I would say this is not what's important, quite
> > the opposite. What you get depends on where you get it and when you
> > get it and changes all the time, with new browsers, new technologies,
> new platforms.
> > Stick to WYSIWYG and your content is out-of-date as soon as you have
> > created it. What you want to see is the web of logical connections
> > between content objects, the network of relationships that define
> > meaning for content according to contextual environments, in an
> > abstract way. This goes back to the point I was trying to make
> > earlier: content is one thing and presentation another. They should
> talk to each other as little as possible.
> >
> > Best, Cristiano
> >
> >
> >
> > > I think the difficulty comes when you want to use a Content
> > > management
> > system (like Drupal and WordPress) to exhibit collections.
> > > Then the webCMS has to have many of the attributes of a musCMS.
> > >
> > > I think the answer, as has been suggested, is a three part system.
> > > * Collections management
> > > * Exhibition Data management
> > > * Presentation system (web or otherwise)
> > >
> > > I think I now understand the original question to relate to the
> > specification of a presentation system for web use that would
> > integrate exhibition data with the other important elements of museum
> website.
> > >
> > > However, it seems to me that the missing part that needs to be
> > > built, is
> > something that can import data from a wide variety of collections
> > management systems and export it for use in a wide variety of off the
> > shelf open source Content Management Systems?
> > >
> > > e.g. Import objects, output articles (with rich metadata)
> >
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