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Re: What would an open source museum CMS look like? - Wordpress Hack Day?

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Andre Bottin <[log in to unmask]>

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Museums Computer Group <[log in to unmask]>

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Fri, 19 Aug 2011 13:42:58 +0100

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Hi everyone

I've been following this thread with a great deal of interest. We have
developed (as a supplier to the Council) the Museums of St Albans
vwebsite (www.stalbansmuseums.org.uk) with eZ Publish (pronounce easy
publish), an Open Source CMS based on PHP and MySQL.
We have been using eZ Publish as a development platform for over five
years now and, after dozens of varied projects, still consider it one
of the best WCMS around. Yes eZ Publish is not for the faint hearted
but it has proven strengths:
- it's immensely scalable (from running on a PC to clustered IBM mainframes)
- it has a vibrant community
- robust developer toolkit (SDK),
- highly-evolved publishing and multimedia solutions, multichannel
content management
- excellent out of the box functionality (this avoid using so many plugins)
- a commercial (with guarantees) version exists
- adaptable: we have yet to come across a business requirement that
cannot be met by the eZ Publish architecture.

eZ Publish is of Norwegian origins (eZ Systems is the company behind
it) has a wide range of users throughout Europe (comparatively few in
the UK).

For more information look at www.ez.no.

Hope this helps.

Kind regards
Andre Bottin
Enterprise AB Ltd

On 19 August 2011 10:29, Vetch, Paul <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> Where WP falls apart IMO is when complex multi-surfacing comes into play.
>
> I'd agree with this.  WordPress is good at what it does but it's not a good framework for extending too far.  It's database model is dire in some ways (take a look at how most plugins store their data).
>
> There comes a point where you've got to upscale to one of the more framework oriented systems in order to get the desired result in a sane way - I've seen people spend weeks customising WordPress to bend it to their will when in the same time they could have downed tools and turned to something like ModX and achieved the same result in the same time using standard, sustainable tools on that platform that have some kind of future, unlike many WP plugins.
>
> Complex functionality requires complex development sometimes and there's no getting away from that, annoying as it may be.  The NMM's new site has a facetted browse for example -- an intuitive way of cutting through collections, and whilst not completely straightforward to implement that's something that Drupal or ModX are comfortably able to help you build using Solr or whatever.  I wouldn't fancy trying that with WordPress  (yes, I know Solr can be bolted onto WP but it'll only understand WordPress 'entities' unless you're going to slave away turning into a frankenmonster...)
>
> I'm not raging against WP here at all - we use it extensively! - just making the good old 'right tool for the right job' point.
>
> P
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mike Ellis
> Sent: 18 August 2011 16:06
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: What would an open source museum CMS look like? - Wordpress Hack Day?
>
> The "scale" thing with WP isn't about traffic, it's about complexity of content, I'd say...
>
> If http://www.number10.gov.uk/ and a whole bunch of other high-traffic sites can cope, I'm pretty sure most museum websites could too, especially with WP-cache and so on.
>
> Where WP falls apart IMO is when complex multi-surfacing comes into play.
> Simple stuff can be done by hacking it about a bit - using custom posts types and featured images or even Pods CMS - but if you want to get really relational, it gets hairy pretty quickly.
>
> Having said that, I'm slightly unconvinced - again, after lots of hands-on experiences - that ultimately people either *get* or *want* true multi-surfacing. It's one of those aspirations (a bit like complex
> workflows) which everyone puts in their specification because they kinda think they should - and then when it comes to the day job, it gets ignored... :-)
>
> BTW - lots of people are signing up to the potential hack day. In answer to Mia's question - I dunno yet :-)
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> _____________________________
>
>
> *Mike Ellis *
>
> I've gone freelance! Find out more about our new digital agency:
> http://thirty8.co.uk
>
> ...and I wrote a book - all about digital heritage strategy:
> http://heritageweb.co.uk
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Bonewell, Perry < [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> > I guess to some extent the right content management solution depends
>> on the size of the museum. For example a smaller venue could use
>> Wordpress, but if it was a multiple site local authority museum
>> service I think Wordpress would buckle under the pressure and it
>> wouldn't be the right solution.
>>
>> Scale is probably not an issue for WP - WordPress.com runs on
>> WordPress after all:
>>
>> http://en.wordpress.com/stats/
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>> Jim Richardson
>> Sent: 18 August 2011 11:24
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: What would an open source museum CMS look like? -
>> Wordpress Hack Day?
>>
>> I guess to some extent the right content management solution depends
>> on the size of the museum. For example a smaller venue could use
>> Wordpress, but if it was a multiple site local authority museum
>> service I think Wordpress would buckle under the pressure and it
>> wouldn't be the right solution.
>>
>> One size can't fit all, can it?
>>
>> The Wordpress Hackday sounds like a fantastic idea.
>>
>> Jim
>>
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-- 
Andre Bottin
EAB, The Old Pump House, 1a Stonecross, St Albans, AL1 4AA
mob: +44(0)7931328017
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