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From: Salisbury, Martin
Sent: Fri 12/10/2010 8:50 AM
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Subject: RE: Masters
Hi Terry
I am sure you are right about Masters courses not always being the standard
preparation, I bow to your greater experience on this. And I must assume from
your message that you are far more knowledgeable than I am about parity of
standards, or otherwise, on Masters courses around the world. My own
experience of external examining in the UK and Ireland at both undergrad and
masters level tells me that the moderating system is the same for each but
that, yes, there are inevitable variations in standards at both levels. But I
would say that the variation is no greater at postgrad than undergrad level.
I'm not sure that I would see a 'mutual agreement amongst doctors that they
should be at the same standard' as a more reliable or scientific indication
of parity than the moderation process that I am familiar with. But I may be
missing something.
Best regards
Martin
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From: Terence Love [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thu 12/9/2010 4:27 PM
To: Salisbury, Martin; [log in to unmask]
Subject: Masters
Hi Martin,
You wrote: <snip> ....I have been surprised to learn that students are
sometimes enrolled onto PhD
programmes without a Masters degree. <endsnip>
Masters seems a puzzling standard to use as a reference point for PhD
entry.
Undergraduate degrees are moderated across institutions and time because
they are based on the skills of better students as they leave secondary
education, which itself is well moderated. Similarly, PhDs are moderated
internationally by a combination of some universities insisting on external
and out of country examiners, by the public availability of PhD theses, and
by a mutual agreement amongst doctors that they should be at the same
standard.
The problem is Masters degrees. Masters degree programs and the skills of
Master's students are highly variable in standard, quality and scope.
Internationally and locally, moderation of Masters degree programs is almost
nonexistent. This is especially so in terms of research skills. Some Masters
programs are below degree level. This is a natural consequence of the role
of Masters programs in the competitive tertiary business environment. Some
Masters, on the other hand, are almost at PhD level. The variability and
volatility is so extreme that some Masters programs have been very
different in quality at different years at the same institution and in the
same subject. In many ways, to adequately judge the level, quality and
scope of a particular individual's Masters it is necessary to know the
degree, the year, the institution and the subject.
This high level of variability in Masters programs and degrees, suggests it
is a much less useful basis for judging a student's research skills and
readiness for undertaking a PhD than other measures such as undergraduate
degree level, real world experience and diplomas in research skill. This may
be one of the reasons for the substantial tradition in many UK influenced
countries of using the upper levels of Honours as the benchmark for PhD
entry.
What is missing, and what the ESRC in the UK attempted some years ago, is to
exactly and specifically define the competencies needed for an individual to
commence PhD study.
It would be interesting to hear if anyone has created a complete list of
competencies for PhD entry in any Design fields.
Best wishes,
Terry
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