When there was the internal discussion to adopt more logical and
uniform names across the UK, RAL didn't change it and sticked to
RAL-LCG2. It wasn't an official request just a way to make the sites
easy to select and recognisable.
cheers
alessandra
On 09/14/2010 03:40 PM, John Gordon wrote:
> I don't think it is a case of RAL 'refusing' to change their name. We've
> never been officially requested to change the name in GOCDB etc. The MoU
> name is used in the Tier1 accounting and other reports
> http://www3.egee.cesga.es/gridsite/accounting/CESGA/tier1_view.html but
> if you drill down to other sites (eg Lyon) you will see that they also
> retain their longtime names.
>
> I see no justification for experiments referring to RAL by yet another
> name though.
>
> John
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Testbed Support for GridPP member institutes [mailto:TB-
>> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Alessandra Forti
>> Sent: 14 September 2010 14:56
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Getting Tier2 BDII configs consistent
>>
>>
>> Hi Jeremy,
>>
>> I didn't know anything about this name up to now as RAL always refused
>> to change their name. Manchester is using the name in the GOCDB. It
>> seems UK-T1-RAL is the official name in the WLCG MoU though and a
> quick
>> google search shows it has propagated to the LHCOPN pages where they
>> most likely refer to the MoU names.
>>
>> cheers
>> alessandra
>>
>>
>> On 09/14/2010 02:42 PM, J Coles wrote:
>>> Hi Richard
>>>
>>> We should adopt the official name which is given in the GOCDB and
>> that
>>> is RAL-LCG2. Unless of course the Tier-1 intends to rename itself.
>>> Perhaps those using UK-T1-RAL (which is a more logical name) could
>>> explain where it came from initially?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jeremy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 14 Sep 2010, at 14:24, Hellier, Richard (STFC,RAL,ESC) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sam,
>>>>
>>>> As to origin, your guess is as good as mine! What I wanted to do
>> was
>>>> stimulate some discussion and agree on one label every T2 can use.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Richard.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Testbed Support for GridPP member institutes
>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Sam Skipsey
>>>> Sent: 14 September 2010 14:06
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: Getting Tier2 BDII configs consistent
>>>>
>>>> Hi Richard,
>>>>
>>>> Did you consider that this may be an artifact of other things (YAIM
>>>> configuration settings, for example) changing? It's possible that
>> the
>>>> mapping is correlated with the last time the BDIIs were each
>>>> reconfigured. (RAL-LCG2 is certainly a valid, old, default.)
>>>>
>>>> Sam
>>>>
>>>> On 14 September 2010 13:53, Hellier, Richard (STFC,RAL,ESC)
>>>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> While upgrading the RAL top-level BDIIs last week, I spotted a few
>>>>> inconsistencies (including the "Latitude Change"
>>>>>
>>>> http://www.gridpp.rl.ac.uk/blog/2010/09/14/ral-tier1-takes-
>> unexpected-excurs
>>>> ion-to-suffolk/).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The main thing I noticed was that "opinion is divided" between the
>> UK
>>>> Tier2s
>>>>> on how to refer to the Tier1. According to:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
> http://goc.grid.sinica.edu.tw/gocwiki/How_to_publish_my_site_informatio
>> n
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> (link given to me in a GGUS ticket when I queried this), the
>> parameter
>>>>> WLCG_PARENT should be set to UK-T1-RAL whereas some sites are
> using
>>>>> RAL-LCG2.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's the state of play:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> EFDA-JET, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>
>>>>> UKI-LT2-Brunel, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>
>>>>> UKI-LT2-IC-HEP, UK-T1-RAL
>>>>>
>>>>> UKI-LT2-QMUL, UK-T1-RAL
>>>>>
>>>>> UKI-LT2-RHUL, UK-T1-RAL
>>>>>
>>>>> UKI-LT2-UCL-HEP, UK-T1-RAL
>>>>>
>>>>> UKI-NORTHGRID-LANCS-HEP, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>
>>>>> UKI-NORTHGRID-LIV-HEP, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>
>>>>> UKI-NORTHGRID-MAN-HEP, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>
>>>>> UKI-NORTHGRID-SHEF-HEP, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>
>>>>> UKI-SCOTGRID-DURHAM, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>
>>>>> UKI-SCOTGRID-ECDF, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>
>>>>> UKI-SCOTGRID-GLASGOW, UK-T1-RAL
>>>>>
>>>>> UKI-SOUTHGRID-BHAM-HEP, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>
>>>>> UKI-SOUTHGRID-BRIS-HEP, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>
>>>>> UKI-SOUTHGRID-CAM-HEP, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>
>>>>> UKI-SOUTHGRID-OX-HEP, RAL-LCG2
>>>>>
>>>>> UKI-SOUTHGRID-RALPP, UK-T1-RAL
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> AFAIK, nothing is broken by the variation but might as well be
>>>>> tidied up
>>>>> next time the BDII config is being updated.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Richard.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> PS: The same is true of how Tier1 sites refer to CERN but that's
>>>>> another
>>>>> story ...
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