Yes, Bob. I agree, especially on Herbert’s connection to “early” concrete poetry.
Of course, I admit that there have been innovations of style since Joyce and Eliot (and Stein, who I forgot to mention), but these have come nowhere near the paradigm shift I mentioned to Desmond.
Not being familiar with your mathematical poetry, Bob, it would be unfair of me to say it is not truly innovative—it may very well be. I can’t rule out that possibility.
I would also agree that I've mentioned nothing that didn't
have roots in previous poetry--like Herbert and Stein, as well as Pound
and Joyce, but all innovations have roots in the past.