medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
It may be that you found this or something similar in Jay Treat's
catalog of resources --
http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~jtreat/rs/resources.html
In any event, I'm glad everyone else came through with useful responses!
Bob Kraft, UPenn
Cormack, Margaret Jean wrote:
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
>
> Thanks to all who responded.
> I think I found what I was looking for, under the a title I certainly never would have thought of!
>
> http://www.greattreasures.org/gnt/main.do
>
> This still does not have the U Penn connection I remember, but it does the same kind of things, and
> will be adequate for my introductory course. Whether it is, as stated, "theologically neutral"
> is something I haven't yet used it enough to have an opinion on.
> Meg
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Francis Murphy
> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 7:37 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [M-R] greek text
>
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
>
> The Perseus Project NT (hosted by Tufts) allows for the English and
> Greek to appear on the same page (click on "load" on the right hand
> side to get the English; there's also the Vulgate). Clicking on Greek
> words brings up information in a pop-up window. Not sure if it's the
> site you had in mind, but the NT pages are here:
>
> Full URL: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/collection?collection=Perseus%3Acorpus%3Aperseus%2Cauthor%2CNT
> Shortened URL: http://bit.ly/7vc0VA
>
> Francis
>
>
> 2010/1/19 Cormack, Margaret Jean <[log in to unmask]>:
>
>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
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>> Thanks, almost there . . . though the version I remember had an interlinear translation!
>> Meg
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Phil Feller
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 5:01 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [M-R] greek text
>>
>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
>>
>> Hi Meg,
>>
>> This may not be the one that you are looking for, but it does give you
>> the morphology and a brief translation when you mouse over. The text
>> is based on Westcott-Hort 1881, with UBS4/NA27 readings noted, and it
>> uses the U Penn CCAT morphological analysis:
>> http://whnac.biblos.com/matthew/1.htm
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Phil Feller
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Cormack, Margaret Jean
>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
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>>> Dear Bob,
>>> Help! The last time I taught a course on christianity, I remember
>>> finding a terrific website
>>> hosted as I recall at U Penn where the gospels were written in greek,
>>> with translation, and in
>>> addition as one ran the mouse over each word one would get a complete
>>> grammatical analysis of it.
>>> Now I can't find the site! Can you send me a link?
>>> Meg
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious
>>> culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Robert
>>> Kraft
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 10:36 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [M-R] Resurrection Bodies/Cross
>>>
>>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
>>> culture
>>>
>>> A rather complex question that might need more focus. Without doing any
>>> specific "homework" on it, the following topics occur to me:
>>> Early Christian use of the IXQUS (fish, ichthus) symbol for
>>> identification;
>>> Early Christian use of the sign of the cross ("seal"), probably on the
>>> forehead;
>>> Written amulets, perhaps following on Jewish use of phylacteries or
>>> tefillin;
>>> Gems and the like (incidentally, I'd be pleased to know where Clement --
>>>
>>> not to my knowledge "bishop" of Alexandria -- mentioned such things);
>>> Graffiti and wall images of crosses and other characteristic items;
>>> Independent portable items such as icons, pendants, etc.
>>>
>>> I'm sure that many (but not all) of these are attested by the 3nd
>>> century, and a few even earlier. Whether the burial of "sacred" books
>>> with a deceased person also counts (e.g. "Gospel of Judas," "Gospel of
>>> Peter" -- and many others) is discussable. Some byzantine coins from the
>>>
>>> 10th century onward (perhaps earlier) also bore images of Jesus. And
>>> isn't the "Veronica" shroud-type image mentioned already in the 4th
>>> century? Plenty to keep one busy here!
>>>
>>> Bob Kraft, UPenn
>>>
>>> Dr Jim Bugslag wrote:
>>>
>>>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
>>>>
>>> culture
>>>
>>>> Meg,
>>>> Although I have no historical data to base this on, my feeling is that
>>>>
>>>> they did indeed. It's more a question of human nature, really. Why
>>>> give up something that works for something else, if you don't see any
>>>> fundamental problem with using both? This is the sort of question
>>>> that, I'm sure, maddened theologians, and reassured the masses of
>>>> Christians through most of the "middle ages".
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>> Cormack, Margaret Jean wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
>>>>> culture
>>>>>
>>>>> Your rephrasing is much better! Though it brings up another
>>>>> question, namely whether early Christians who used crosses as amulets
>>>>>
>>>>> also had other kinds of amulets. . . Meg
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious
>>>>>
>>>>> culture on behalf of Dr Jim Bugslag
>>>>> Sent: Sun 10.1.2010 20:57
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>> Subject: Re: [M-R] Resurrection Bodies/Cross
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
>>>>> culture
>>>>>
>>>>> I suspect that this question should be rephrased: do we know when
>>>>> Christians began to assimilate the practice of using amulets? In the
>>>>> late 2nd century, Clement, the Bishop of Alexandria, recommends
>>>>>
>>> devices
>>>
>>>>> that Christians should carve on their rings, including doves, ships
>>>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>>> anchors - that's pretty amuletic. Crosses scratched in cemeteries
>>>>>
>>> also
>>>
>>>>> begin to appear in the 2nd century, I believe. On a later phase of
>>>>>
>>> this
>>>
>>>>> usage, see Henry Maguire, The Icons of their Bodies: Saints and their
>>>>> Images in Byzantium (1996).
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>> Marjorie Greene wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
>>>>>> culture
>>>>>> "Do we know when amulets (crosses or otherwise) are first used?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> An interesting question and one I cannot answer. It would be
>>>>>> interesting to find the earliest example of a cleric wearing a
>>>>>> pectoral cross. I suspect, but have no evidence, that they started
>>>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>>>> practice, which then trickled down to the laity.
>>>>>> I hope you get an authoritative response.
>>>>>> MG
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marjorie Greene
>>>>>> http://medrelart.shutterfly.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- On *Mon, 1/11/10, Cormack, Margaret Jean /<[log in to unmask]>/*
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
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