Hi All
The weaknesses are already known - just check on Youtube or Facebook
or....[insert any social networking site name here].
Worst case scenario - you're using students to research the weaknesses
and loopholes in the software. Sounds like a pretty good use of
resources to me. When the weaknesses are found, they are shared - the
problem with being 'clever' and discovering something is that you can't
brag about it without sharing it :-). When they're shared (usually on
social networks), everyone knows about it, and the problem can be fixed.
Regards
Ken
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Ken Masters
IT Health Education
http://www.ithealthed.com
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> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: How counter the argument that students may learn to
> game TII? [was "Students refusing to put work through turnitin"]
> From: "Wells, Julian" <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Wed, June 17, 2009 3:32 pm
> To: Plagiarism <[log in to unmask]>, Ken Masters
> <[log in to unmask]>
>
>
> I agree with much of what Ken says here; unfortunately my Faculty's policy is not to let students have access to TII, precisely because they fear that students will learn to game the system.
>
> So -- can anyone point me in the direction of a good, concise, but comprehensive discussion of the relevant issues?
>
>
> Julian
>
>
> Dr Julian Wells
>
> staff web-page: http://fass.kingston.ac.uk/staff/cv.php?staffnum=287
> personal web-site: http://staffnet.kingston.ac.uk/~ku32530
>
> Senior lecturer in economics
> School of Economics
> Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
> Kingston University
> Penrhyn Road
> Kingston-upon-Thames
> KT1 2EE
> United Kingdom
>
> +44 (0)20 8417 2124
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Plagiarism [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ken Masters
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:05 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Students refusing to put work through turnitin
>
> Hi All
>
> One way of reducing the problem is to highlight the advantages of the
> system to the students. Firstly, by running their materials through
> TurnItIn, they are protecting their own work against plagiarism by
> anyone else. Secondly, Turnitin can be used as a tool to teach the
> issues around plagiarism - actually demonstrating it to the students,
> and showing how it helps to ensure that the work submitted has not
> inadvertently plagiarised someone else's work. (Working on the
> assumption that a large amount of plagiarism is inadvertent.)
>
> At my previous university, some staff encouraged students to load their
> assignments in, prior to official submission, to ensure that they hadn't
> plagiarised. The staff did not check earlier submissions, so the
> students were able to correct their stuff before final submission.
> (Yes, there was always a small amount of "tweaking" to get around the
> system, but mostly, it was successful - especially because, when
> students disagreed, they would raise the issue in discussions, and it
> could be explained to them in more detail.
>
> (As a rule, whenever a new technical (or other) system is introduced,
> the most important question to answer is "What's in it for me?" - and
> the "me" must almost always never be the provider, rather the user (at a
> university, usually staff AND students)).
>
> Regards
>
> Ken
>
> ---------------------------
> Ken Masters
> IT Health Education
> http://www.ithealthed.com
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>
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Students refusing to put work through turnitin
> > From: Sue Gill <[log in to unmask]>
> > Date: Wed, June 17, 2009 1:24 pm
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> >
> >
> > Dear Colleagues
> > I'd be very grateful to if there are is any resource which details how colleagues/other institutions approach the issue of students who refuse to allow their work to be submitted via turnitin or similar, and whether you're aware of any cases where there is legal support for this refusal. I've been asked the question and realised I had no data to back up my personal views, so any help would be much appreciated!
> > Thanks very much
> > Sue
> >
> > Sue Gill
> > Senior Development Officer
> >
> > Quality in Learning and Teaching (QuILT)
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