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Apologies if this was already answered:
Provincia di Alessandria, Regione Piemonte, so the AL stands for
Alessandria, the province.
On 4/17/09 11:22 AM, "John Dillon" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
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> On Friday, April 17, 2009. at 7:53 am, christopher crockett wrote:
>
>> From: John Dillon <[log in to unmask]>
>>
>>> Tortona (AL)
>>
>>> Sezzadio (AL)
>>
>>> Castelletto d'Orba (AL)
>>
>> what's "(AL)"?
>>
>> none of these places show up in my gazetteer of Alabama.
>
> A slightly longer version of that first quote provides important context:
>> early bishop of Tortona (AL) in Piedmont.
>
> While it's true that part of Alabama is in the North American Piedmont, it's
> unlikely that any town in Alabama had a bishop quite as early as the fourth
> century. As a guess, I'd say that these are places in the Italian region of
> Piedmont and that AL is an abbreviation for one of the latter's provinces.
> See the key here:
> http://home.no.net/lotsberg/data/italia/legenda.html
>
> The number of letters in Roman alphabet being fairly small, it is not
> surprising that there should be correspondences between two-letter
> abbreviations for Italian provinces and two-letter USAmerican postal codes.
> Other examples that come to mind are CA (Cagliari/California), CT
> (Catania/Connecticut), ME (Messina/Maine), MI (Milano/Michigan), OR
> (Oristano/Oregon), PA (Palermo/Pennsylviania), and TN (Trento/Tennessee).
> The dissimilarities or incomplete correspondences between places signified by
> the Italian and the USAmerican members of these pairs are sometimes a source
> of mild amusement.
>
>
>>> St-Ayoul at today's Provins (Seine-et-Marne) in Île-de-France
>>
>> 20km. north of Sens, not then, and not now in the Ile-de-France.
>
> Ah, but Seine-et-Marne _is_ a _département._ in today's _région
> Île-de-France_. See:
> http://encyclopedia.farlex.com/Ile-de-France
> http://www.sifex.co.uk/region_details.asp?Regionid=16
> or here (scroll down to 'Repères administratifs'):
> http://tinyurl.com/c65c64
>
>
> This exchange affords an opportunity to correct an omission in my post. I had
> written:
>> 6) Robert of Molesme (d. 1111). We know about R., the founder of
>> Cîteaux, chiefly from early accounts of the rise of the Cistercian
>> Order.
>
> That should have read: 'chiefly from his twelfth-century Vita by a monk of
> Molesme (BHL 7265) and from early accounts of the rise of the Cistercian
> Order.'
>
> Best again,
> John Dillon
>
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