medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
I suspect it would be worth looking to ceremonial from the East to
determine if the umbrella came from Constantinople.
Tom Izbicki
Christopher Crockett wrote:
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
>
> From: John Dillon <[log in to unmask]>
>
>
>> Note the papal colors on that bumbershoot. It's a _conopeum_ or
>>
> _ombrellino_, the usual visible sign of a papal basilica.
>
>
>> See (lower down) here:
>> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basilique_religieuse
>>
>
>
>> and here:
>> http://www.saintspeterandpaul.us/basilica.htm
>>
>
>
> well, Truth be Told, my lack of Expertise in the sub-specialty of Bumbershoot
> Iconography is only marginally greater than in that of Laptop History, so i
> suppose i'll have to accept your word for how suchlike artifacts should be
> properly nomenclatured.
>
> however, as to the colors, it seems that the b&w woodcut of the Chartres
> badge
>
> http://ariadne.org/cc/badges/forgeais/forgeais4_ 115.jpg
>
> rather accurately the [lack of] polychromy on the original, which was in
> pewter.
>
> 12th-13th c. Chartres cathedral not being (to my knowledge) a Papal Basilica,
> my best guess is that some Papa or other simply stole the idea of using a
> Liturgical Bumbershoot as part of the Armes of suchlike a building.
>
> what struck me about the original German example on the page you quoted was
> its shape, which echoed somewhat the unusual form of the artifacts which
> appear on the Chartres badge.
>
> of course, the German one is in its Flacid/Non-Erect posture, presumably for
> interior viewing; while the one on the coats of armes which you indicated
> above are in the Full Upright, Erect & Ready-for-Action Mode.
>
> so, the question remains, why didn't the "artist" who created the figures on
> the Chartres artifact depict that mode --if, indeed, his spade-like Whatsits
> are even Bumbershoots at all-- since his objects are clearly an important part
> of the processional scene he's trying to represent?
>
>
> i note, with regret, that neither "conopeum" nor "ombrellino" rated an article
> in Cabrol-Leclercq's massive _Dictionnaire d'archeologie et de liturgie
> chretienne_; which is a great shame, since i'm sure that those guys could have
> Done a Number on the pre-Carolingian history of suchlike Thingies.
>
>
>> A search for 'conopeum' in Google images will brings up several examples.
>>
>
> as well it should.
>
> facinating stuff
>
> http://www.sms.si.edu/IRLSpec/Conope_seurat.htm
>
> http://www.marlin.ac.uk/species/Conopeumreticulum.htm
>
> ahhh... here's one being carried in the Non-Erect position
>
> http://lh4.ggpht.com/chris.ochoa/SB2bp1B7cFI/AAAAAAAAEBw/pG46ElwXM30/s720/DSCF2920.jpg
>
> or, perhaps, these ones don't really open up like Normal Bumbershoots and the
> ones on the Papal Basilican Armes are just overly-optimistic and suffering
> from Viagra posioning?
>
> butbut, no, Wait!
>
> the could the thingies on the badge be, not Bumbersooteums at all, but rather
> Tintinnabulae?
>
> yes, the Chartres artifacts
>
> http://ariadne.org/cc/badges/forgeais/forgeais4_ 115.jpg
>
> do, indeed, closely resemble
>
> http://home.online.no/~araronse/Mycenakey/tintinnabulum.htm
>
> or even (less likely)
>
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/Tintinnabulum.jpg
>
> or some middlevil variant of the one on the left here
>
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/Procession_of_the_Precious_Blood_of_Jesus_Christ-Bruges;_het_conopeum.JPG
>
> this sort of Thingie,
>
> http://www.katholiek.org/pictures/tintinnabulum.jpg
>
> but without the sharp peak at the top.
>
> a liturgical bell, carried on a pole in processions.
>
> it it my Firm Belief that the Chartres Pilgrims' Badges, crude though they
> are, depicted scenes which would have been immediately recognizable --in all
> their details-- to anyone who had actually gone to the cathedral and witnessed
> them.
>
>
> otOh, the images.google.com search also turned up this Looser
>
> http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/06/images/20040617-4_012t2497-515h.jpg
>
> which suggests, unless i'm seriously misunderestimating it, that this
> Innernets Thingie is not quite perfected.
>
> yet.
>
> c
>
>
>
>
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Christopher Crockett <[log in to unmask]>
>> Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:23 am
>> Subject: Re: [M-R] saints of the day 21. October
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>
>>
>>
>>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
>>>
>>> From: John Dillon <[log in to unmask]>
>>>
>>>
>>>> 3) Wendelin (d. later 6h or early 7th cent.?).
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> In about 1050 _Basonis villare_, now St. Wendel in the Saarland,
>>>>
>>> began to be
>>> called by the name of its saint. Its originally fourteenth-century
>>>
> church
>
>>> dedicated to him houses his putative remains in a raised tomb
>>> (Hochgrab) that
>>> was dedicated in 1360. Some exterior views of the church:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Other interior views of the church, including (lower down on the
>>>>
>>> page) views
>>> of the tomb, will be found here:
>>>
>>>> http://www.sankt-wendelinus.de/index.php?id=196
>>>>
>>> listmembers cursed with exceptionally good memories may recall that
>>> the topic
>>> of Liturgical/Processional Umbrellas came up a couple of years ago --in
>>> connection with their appearance on at least one Pilgrims' Badge from
>>> Chartres.
>>>
>>> http://ariadne.org/cc/badges/newbadges.html
>>>
>>> http://ariadne.org/cc/badges/forgeais/forgeais4_115.jpg
>>>
>>> here's a nice one, which seems to echo the (somewhat unusual?) form of
>>> the
>>> Chartres exemplars:
>>>
>>> http://www.sankt-wendelinus.de/typo3temp/pics/d7cbdb981a.jpg
>>>
>>> an expandable view is available on the original page, near the bottom:
>>>
>>> http://www.sankt-wendelinus.de/index.php?id=196
>>>
>>> keep in mind that the Chartres badge is quite small and, in quality,
>>>
> hardly
>
>>> "high" art --scale isn't really a consideration.
>>>
>>> anyway, they look more like bumbershoots than digging spades, if we have
>>> something to compare them to.
>>>
>>> c
>>>
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