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Belakane, one of the wifes of Parzivals father, is black, and their
son Feirefiz is black and white, and comes to the grail: I only wanted
to say, that there is no negative connotation with black/niger people
in MA. I do not know, if they had any real knowlegde about real black
people, except of slaves in Venice.
yours
k
Am 27.08.2008 um 20:38 schrieb Christopher Crockett:
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> From: Karl Brunner <[log in to unmask]>
>
>> "nigra" has also a connotation to Cant 1, 5
>> k
>
>
> yes, but my experience of _niger_ was with a late 11th-early 12th c.
> family in
> the Blesois who carried it (over more than one generation, i
> believe) as a
> cognomen.
>
> c. 1100 a certain Hugo Niger, in the service of the formidable
> Countess Adela,
> ran afoul of the monks of Bonneval and was excommunicated for his
> trouble by
> Bihshop Ivo.
>
> thus, i assume, it did not quite have the anagogical level(s) of
> meaning which
> your Cant. 1:5 reference does.
>
> working with charters is *so* much more straightforward than working
> with
> Scripture, i've always found.
>
> c
>
>
>> Am 27.08.2008 um 18:29 schrieb Christopher Crockett:
>>
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>>> From: "Gannett, Dulcie" <[log in to unmask]>
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>>>> On the other hand, Harold the Fair meant that he was blond (Haraldr
>>> Harfagri being one of the few things I remember from Old Norse).
>>>
>>> yes, or at least "fair" in complexion and coloring generally (would
>>> a very
>>> light skinned, light blue eyed, red haired maiden be "fargri"?)
>>>
>>> as opposed to, say, "niger" which, as a cognomen, i've always
>>> assumed to refer
>>> to the general coloring (dark hair, dark and prominent eyebrows,
>>> dark eyes,
>>> and, perhaps, "swarthy" skin), if not to the personality and actions
>>> as well.
>>>
>>> c
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dulcie Gannett
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval
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>>>> culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>>>> Christopher Crockett
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 7:53 AM
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>>>> Subject: Re: [M-R] Today's Saint - Louis IX of France
>>>>
>>>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
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>>>> you mean he wasn't a "pretty boy"?
>>>>
>>>> c
>>>>
>>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>>> Received: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:35:03 AM EDT
>>>> From: "Dr. Jeffrey R. Woolf" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: [M-R] Today's Saint - Louis IX of France
>>>>
>>>>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
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>>>>> No, I meant handsome. That's how le bel was translated when I
>>>>> was a
>>>>> grad student...
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Marjorie Greene" <[log in to unmask]>
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>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 18:24
>>>>> Subject: Re: [M-R] Today's Saint - Louis IX of France
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>>>>>
>>>>>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
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>>>>>> "his grandson, Phillip IV 'the Fair.'"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope the quotation marks around "the Fair" don't suggest that
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> think
>>>>
>>>>>> the term refers to his fairness. His French sobriquet, Philippe
>>>>>> le
>>>>>> Bel, means "Phillip the Handsome."
>>>>>> MG
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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