Just to say a big thank you to the several kind and speedy offers I've
had on this already! The perfect solution has been found, so please
don't go to any further trouble on this.
Chris
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Fleet, Christopher
Sent: 30 July 2008 14:04
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Ireland - GSGS 4136 - sheets required
Prompted by discussions a couple of weeks ago, we are planning to scan,
mosaic, and geo-reference GSGS 4136, the 1:63,360 mapping of Ireland by
the War Office published in the early 1940s. The aim would be to make
this available in various forms on the web for wider use.
Sadly, we do not have complete coverage - we are missing two sheets -
sheets 320 and 321 - south of Belfast. These can be seen on the graphic
index Tinho has kindly placed on the lis-maps file area at:
http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/filearea.cgi?LMGT1=lis-maps
Off list, I'd be interested to hear from anyone who could either loan
these original two sheets, or provide scans of them, on the basis of
sharing in the results.
Many thanks,
Chris Fleet
Deputy Map Curator
National Library of Scotland
33 Salisbury Place
EDINBURGH
EH9 1SL
United Kingdom.
Tel. 0131 623 3973
Fax. 0131 623 3971
E-mail: [log in to unmask]
View maps website: http://www.nls.uk/maps
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Richard Oliver
Sent: 14 July 2008 12:43
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Search interfaces for on-line map libraries and OS New
Popular Edition
If it is a question of rescanning the New Popular, why not substituite
out-of-copyright 7ths? A set could easily be supplied by several UK
academic map libraries, to say nothing of one or private collectors!
The 7th has the advantage of being a relative snapshot in time, whereas
the New Popular is one of those series where the balance of interest is
in the map telling you more about the circumstances in which it was
made than the landscape it purports to depict!
Richard Oliver
On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:58:04 +0100 "Fleet, Christopher" <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> I completely support Richard and Humphrey's comments about avoiding
> duplication of effort where possible.
>
> Whilst these discussions are still active, I just wanted to add:
>
> 1. The OS one-inch New Popular edition maps of England and Wales were
> scanned from NLS holdings by the XYZ Digital Map Company a few years
> ago, and can be viewed as a seamed geo-referenced layer on the
People's
> Map website: http://peoplesmap.com/ (select the +layers tab on the
right
> of the map window and choose "Out of copyright Map"). This can also be
> embedded in other websites as an API. In terms of NLS web offerings,
our
> main priority has had to be to Scotland, but we hope at some point to
> make this mapping available through our website.
>
> 2. An interface to the scanned and geo-referenced 1:75,000 maps of the
> Austro-Hungarian Empire (1877-1914), co-ordinated by Patrick McGlamery
> of University of Connecticut, may also be of interest:
> http://imlsmap.lib.uconn.edu/ not only as an interface, but also for
the
> maps themselves.
>
> 3. I was in discussions last year about scanning GSGS 4136 of Ireland,
> and hope to move forward on this soon. From our holdings, it was the
> best coloured, out-of-copyright set of maps we had. Since 2002, Anne
> Taylor's Digital Projects lists have provided a good summary of
reported
> map scanning projects in the UK (
> http://www.lib.cam.ac.uk/deptserv/maps/digital.html ) and if we make
> progress on scanning Ireland we'll report this here and to the list as
> well.
>
> Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: A forum for issues related to map & spatial data librarianship
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Humphrey Southall
> Sent: 11 July 2008 09:34
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Search interfaces for on-line map libraries -- examples
of
> good practice
>
> The maps I listed have all been scanned, and the New Popular maps were
> scanned for us by the British Library under our lottery funding five
> years ago -- when the 7th series were still in copyright. I would
> actually like to re-scan the New Popular sheets sometime, as they were
> done using a digital camera with an effective resolution of 200 dpi,
and
> this is visibly not quite good enough.
>
> Our JISC funding has another nine months to go, but as of next week
the
> focus of the resource construction work shifts from scanning and
> geo-referencing maps to constructing vector boundaries of
Parliamentary
> Constituencies. I would live to have funding to extend the scanned
map
> collection, and now we have extended the framework to cover the whole
of
> Europe the possibilities are wider. There is one way the contents may
> get extended without further funding, which is that there is a
possible
> partnership with a company who have already added a modern grid to
older
> mapping.
>
> One problem with adding scanned mapping is that the space required on
> our server goes up a lot. The contents of the current Vision of
Britain
> site all fits into c. 50 Gb, but yesterday we were discussing whether
1
> Tb would be big enough for the new site. That is not just because we
> will have more maps, but (a) because this time we will have two
separate
> versions of each map, one cropped for inclusion in the continuous
> mosaics and the other with all the marginal info, and (b) because
> enabling users to zoom and pan easily, like Google Maps, needs
> additional space on the server for caching.
>
> I agree with Richard about avoiding duplication, but for some purposes
> there are problems with material being held in too many separate
> collections. There is maybe some scope for rationalisation, as (a)
> Digimap Historic is hosted for JISC by EDINA in Edinburgh; (b) Vision
> of Britain is currently hosted by EDINA, and the new version may well
> be; (c) the National Library of Scotland seem to have gone furthest
> among the copyright libraries in geo-referencing and building mosaics,
> and they are also in Edinburgh. I have noted, for example, that NLS
> have scanned and mosaiced the Popular maps of Scotland, while a
> commercial company has scanned and georeferenced Popular edition maps
of
> England and Wales.
>
> I would love to include those Popular sheets within our interface --
but
> for a new scanning project I would probably prioritise Ireland, unless
> we could gain access to the field survey sheets of the Second Land
> Utilisation Survey or the funding to computerise the 1941 National
Farm
> Survey.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Humphrey
>
> >>> Richard Oliver <[log in to unmask]> 11/07/08 9:32 AM >>>
> Interesting!
>
> As a search interface, it would be useful to add the UTM grid, which
is
> used in most countries, though not all: Switzerland is a significant
> exception, as of course GB and Ireland; and it still doesn't appear
> on civil issues of the French IGN mapping. The recent issues by
Cassini
> have demonstrated the value of adding a modern grid to older mapping
to
> facilitate cross-reference, and a search interface can help here.
>
> Is it intended to add any more historical mapping of UK, or to move
> further afield? The New Popular would not be my first choice for a
> 'modern' map of Britain, given that much of the more satisfactory
> successor Seventh Series is now out of copyright, and there are plenty
> of flat copies around, suitable for scanning. Is it worth adding GSGS
> 4136, the 1:63,360 (gridded) mapping of Ireland, prepared by the War
> Office in 1940-2? If a list of 'desirables' can be formulated, (say
all
> of western Europe at around 1:50,000-100,000 in the 1930s?), it might
> be worth a lis-maps posting!
>
>
> At the same time, there may be a risk of duplication of effort. I hope
> no-one would scan in the earlier 1:63,360 mapping of Scotland, now
that
> this is available on the NLS website, but the position with England,
> Wales and Ireland is much less clear. Perhaps we need a gathering to
> address the issue!
>
> Back to the map-chests...
>
> Richard Oliver
>
> On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 18:30:16 +0100 "Fleet, Christopher"
<[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Humphrey,
> >
> > This is just a quick and partial answer to your first question,
having
> > just seen a few map websites demonstrated last week at the LIBER
> > Conference in Amsterdam that are along the lines you describe:
> >
> > 1. The Royal Tropical Institute has 12,000 maps accessible through a
> > text-based, geo-referenced search engine:
> > http://testbiblio.kit.nl/biblio_smartsite/maps_search.htm
> >
> > 2. The DIGMAP Project has several tools and prototypes for textual
and
> > visual searching of geo-referenced maps:
http://www.digmap.eu/doku.php
>
> >
> > 3. The Carto-Mundi Mediterranean Map Library website also allows
> > zoomable map-based searching of geo-referenced graphic indexes:
> > http://cartomed.mmsh.univ-aix.fr/index_EN.html
> >
> > Abstracts and some of the Powerpoints relating to these sites are on
> the
> > LIBER Conference website: http://liber.gdc.2008.googlepages.com/
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > Chris Fleet
> > Deputy Map Curator
> > National Library of Scotland
> > 33 Salisbury Place
> > EDINBURGH
> > EH9 1SL
> > United Kingdom.
> >
> > Tel. 0131 623 3973
> > Fax. 0131 623 3971
> > E-mail: [log in to unmask]
> >
> > View maps website: http://www.nls.uk/maps
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: A forum for issues related to map & spatial data librarianship
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Humphrey Southall
> > Sent: 09 July 2008 14:59
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Search interfaces for on-line map libraries -- examples of
> good
> > practice
> >
> > Many members of this list are familiar with the Vision of Britain
web
> > site, and some of you have helped build it by loaning us maps. It
> > contains images of many historical maps, but it is not really a map
> > library: the historical maps are linked together into a small
number
> of
> > continuous mosaics, and treated as GIS content.
> >
> > We are now working on a major new version of the system, with JISC
> > funding, and we want it to work as an on-line map library while
> > retaining the current functionality:
> >
> > <> We have worked out how to hold all the metadata about the maps,
as
> > used by our MapServer software, in a single database table so that
it
> > can be conventionally searched.
> >
> > <> Where maps have been cropped and, sometimes, re-projected to be
> parts
> > of mosaics, we will also hold an uncropped and un-re-projected image
> of
> > the map. These images will be viewable using IIPimage software.
> >
> > <> Some of the maps, such as the maps of towns in the 1831/2
Boundary
> > Commission report, are too topographically inaccurate to re-project,
> > etc, but EVERY map in the collection will be basically
geo-referenced
> > via a bounding box.
> >
> > <> At present, going to our "Historical Mapping" option takes you
> > straight into a viewer. In the new site it will take you to a
> > specialised home page, like those for census reports and travel
> writing.
> > This will tell you about the collection, and include a way into the
> > viewer, but it will also allow you to search for maps.
> >
> > Where we need help is on that search mechanism. The idea is that
> users
> > should be able to do searches on the purely textual information held
> in
> > our "map catalogue" database table, just like the searches they
could
> do
> > on a traditional card catalogue, but they should also be able to
> narrow
> > searches making use of the fact that every map will be
geo-referenced.
>
> > For example, we could include a zoomable map on that page, and use
the
> > area it currently shows as a bounding box to limit the current
search.
> >
> > CAN LIST MEMBERS SUGGEST EXISTING MAP LIBRARY SITES WITH THIS KIND
OF
> > FEATURE?
> >
> > We are also thinking about including a simple classification of our
> map;
> > what we currently hold can be divided roughly into:
> >
> > -- General topographic maps
> > -- Maps of political and administrative boundaries
> > -- Land use mapping
> >
> > Are there any standards we should be following here?
> >
> > The current contents of the system is basically:
> >
> > -- OS New Popular 1" maps of GB
> > -- OS First Series 1" maps of GB
> > -- Stamp Land Utilisation Survey 1" maps of GB
> >
> > ... in all cases together with less detailed maps of the same date
and
> > topic. The new system will add, primarily:
> >
> > -- GSGS mapping of the whole of Europe at 1:500,000 scale
> > -- A fairly complete set of British administrative area maps,
> excluding
> > those still within OS copyright and including all the maps in the
> > Parliamentary Boundary Commission reports
> >
> > The extension of our infrastructure to cover the whole of Europe
means
> > we could add a great deal more, given further funding. Our general
> aim
> > is not to include the unique gems in our existing paper map
collection
> > (because we do not have one), but rather to provide a really useful
> > reference collection, integrated with other geographical information
> --
> > although we are STILL looking for a good descriptive gazetteer of
> > Europe.
> >
> > With thanks for whatever suggestions you can make,
> >
> > Humphrey Southall
> >
> >
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