Thanks Nathan
I don't usually spend a lot of time on writing any individual poem -
that one was about 20 minutes at the most, but I read and re-read, out
loud and silently, my own and others poems a lot, with some of my own
I will fuss over a minor detail for a long time in my head afterwards
before often deciding to change it or not. but the re-reading of
poetry from the 'legacy', that helps a lot, to continually expose
oneself to contradictory influences so one's responses to stuff in
life might be flexible and even imaginative. I like to write from
+inside+ a subject, if I can, to try to act it out in words. After
all, poetry's partly an extension playing 'let's pretends' isn't it?
I like those commentators who are explicate rather than explain poems,
in terms of background and nuance, of where a poem is +coming from+
rather than where it's +at+. I dislike theorists intensely, they just
explain away poetry ultimately and leave you with an empty skull.
Intellect, to paraphrase Geoffrey Hill, is not sufficient law.
I try or am trying to find some internal consistency in myself as well
as my poems! These things could be related! I do find it helpful to
think of poetic language as operating from the 'bottom-up' rather than
'top-down' and to think about things as being from a constantly moving
imagined point of a graph that is 'I'. After all, all things are in
motion. Or the only points of rest are relative.
Good luck with your own poetry.
Best
Dave
2008/6/8 Nathan Hondros <[log in to unmask]>:
> Really liked this one, David. It has an internal consistency that I admire.
> I'm working on that in my own poems.
>
> On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 7:22 AM, kasper salonen <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> oh! well Cave certainly does that. :) sorry for the confusion, I was thrown
>> by Roger's reply.. still am.
>>
>> KS
>>
>> 2008/6/8 David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>:
>>
>> > Oh no, kasper, I just meant it was refreshing to see a non-literary
>> > comparison in respect of the feuds that bedevil the literary scene,
>> > that's all. It was nice to get out of the library for a breath of
>> > fresh air!
>> >
>> > 2008/6/8 kasper salonen <[log in to unmask]>:
>> > > hatreds past? not sure what you mean. all I did was make a passing
>> > comment.
>> > > is Cave a hated man on this list or something?
>> > >
>> > > KS
>> > >
>> > > 2008/6/7 David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>:
>> > >
>> > >> Thank you kasper for that breath of unliterary fresh air. It sometimes
>> > >> seems there are too many accumulated small demons in libraries, I know
>> > >> they can be warded off but all that remembrance of hatreds past ...
>> > >>
>> > >> 2008/6/7 kasper salonen <[log in to unmask]>:
>> > >> > great language. such subtle twisting!
>> > >> > this could be a cool Nick Cave song
>> > >> >
>> > >> > KS
>> > >> >
>> > >> > 2008/6/7 David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >> Prospero's Slump
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Ah my mad genetic mother
>> > >> >> who drowns the runt unwanted kittens
>> > >> >> downwind of your stinking midden,
>> > >> >> nursingly basting the slaughtered,
>> > >> >> who toythings with tenderness and rhymes,
>> > >> >> dressing dolls in your head-yard,
>> > >> >> telling your jacks your jills but lies, mother,
>> > >> >> all favourites your flowers all weeds.
>> > >> >> The honeybees they're dying, mother,
>> > >> >> the ground work-rate's murder;
>> > >> >> this is the latest of reports from an idiot
>> > >> >> on sporting chances, New Orleans.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> --
>> > >> >> David Bircumshaw
>> > >> >> Website and A Chide's Alphabet
>> > >> >> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/
>> > >> >> The Animal Subsides
>> > http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
>> > >> >> Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> David Bircumshaw
>> > >> Website and A Chide's Alphabet
>> > >> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/
>> > >> The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
>> > >> Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk
>> > >>
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > David Bircumshaw
>> > Website and A Chide's Alphabet
>> > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/
>> > The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
>> > Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk
>> >
>>
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> http://nathanhondros.blogspot.com
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David Bircumshaw
Website and A Chide's Alphabet http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/
The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk
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