a well stated and very interesting statement of poetics, Dave. Thanks.
andrew
2008/6/8 David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>:
> Thanks Nathan
>
> I don't usually spend a lot of time on writing any individual poem -
> that one was about 20 minutes at the most, but I read and re-read, out
> loud and silently, my own and others poems a lot, with some of my own
> I will fuss over a minor detail for a long time in my head afterwards
> before often deciding to change it or not. but the re-reading of
> poetry from the 'legacy', that helps a lot, to continually expose
> oneself to contradictory influences so one's responses to stuff in
> life might be flexible and even imaginative. I like to write from
> +inside+ a subject, if I can, to try to act it out in words. After
> all, poetry's partly an extension playing 'let's pretends' isn't it?
> I like those commentators who are explicate rather than explain poems,
> in terms of background and nuance, of where a poem is +coming from+
> rather than where it's +at+. I dislike theorists intensely, they just
> explain away poetry ultimately and leave you with an empty skull.
> Intellect, to paraphrase Geoffrey Hill, is not sufficient law.
> I try or am trying to find some internal consistency in myself as well
> as my poems! These things could be related! I do find it helpful to
> think of poetic language as operating from the 'bottom-up' rather than
> 'top-down' and to think about things as being from a constantly moving
> imagined point of a graph that is 'I'. After all, all things are in
> motion. Or the only points of rest are relative.
>
> Good luck with your own poetry.
>
> Best
>
> Dave
>
> 2008/6/8 Nathan Hondros <[log in to unmask]>:
> > Really liked this one, David. It has an internal consistency that I
> admire.
> > I'm working on that in my own poems.
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 7:22 AM, kasper salonen <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> >> oh! well Cave certainly does that. :) sorry for the confusion, I was
> thrown
> >> by Roger's reply.. still am.
> >>
> >> KS
> >>
> >> 2008/6/8 David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>:
> >>
> >> > Oh no, kasper, I just meant it was refreshing to see a non-literary
> >> > comparison in respect of the feuds that bedevil the literary scene,
> >> > that's all. It was nice to get out of the library for a breath of
> >> > fresh air!
> >> >
> >> > 2008/6/8 kasper salonen <[log in to unmask]>:
> >> > > hatreds past? not sure what you mean. all I did was make a passing
> >> > comment.
> >> > > is Cave a hated man on this list or something?
> >> > >
> >> > > KS
> >> > >
> >> > > 2008/6/7 David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>:
> >> > >
> >> > >> Thank you kasper for that breath of unliterary fresh air. It
> sometimes
> >> > >> seems there are too many accumulated small demons in libraries, I
> know
> >> > >> they can be warded off but all that remembrance of hatreds past
> ...
> >> > >>
> >> > >> 2008/6/7 kasper salonen <[log in to unmask]>:
> >> > >> > great language. such subtle twisting!
> >> > >> > this could be a cool Nick Cave song
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > KS
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > 2008/6/7 David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>:
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >> Prospero's Slump
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> Ah my mad genetic mother
> >> > >> >> who drowns the runt unwanted kittens
> >> > >> >> downwind of your stinking midden,
> >> > >> >> nursingly basting the slaughtered,
> >> > >> >> who toythings with tenderness and rhymes,
> >> > >> >> dressing dolls in your head-yard,
> >> > >> >> telling your jacks your jills but lies, mother,
> >> > >> >> all favourites your flowers all weeds.
> >> > >> >> The honeybees they're dying, mother,
> >> > >> >> the ground work-rate's murder;
> >> > >> >> this is the latest of reports from an idiot
> >> > >> >> on sporting chances, New Orleans.
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> --
> >> > >> >> David Bircumshaw
> >> > >> >> Website and A Chide's Alphabet
> >> > >> >> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/
> >> > >> >> The Animal Subsides
> >> > http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
> >> > >> >> Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> --
> >> > >> David Bircumshaw
> >> > >> Website and A Chide's Alphabet
> >> > >> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/
> >> > >> The Animal Subsides
> http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
> >> > >> Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > David Bircumshaw
> >> > Website and A Chide's Alphabet
> >> > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/
> >> > The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
> >> > Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://nathanhondros.blogspot.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> David Bircumshaw
> Website and A Chide's Alphabet
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/
> The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
> Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk
>
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