How you do think all this Heath Ledger talk makes Brad Renfro feel?

My god, Brad Renfro did Ghost World (indie cred) and was People Magazine's Top 30 Under 30 (the true measure of man).

Was not Renfro's untimely demise tragic?  

Do you have to have an Aussie accent for people to care?



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From: "Frank, Michael" <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Thursday, January 24, 2008 11:51 am
Subject: Re: Heath Ledger - can we take a dep breath??
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> >>some interest in and/or knowledge of, or even just maybe affection 
> for(!?), film should probably be a prerequisite
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>  absolutely agreed . . . but - even to this dyed in the wool formalist 
> - it's increasingly clear that individual texts [i.e. films] do not 
> exist in a vacuum and do not get their "meanings" separate from an 
> enormously complex and multiply determined network of cultural [and 
> political?] factors, among which "stardom" certainly must count - at 
> least for many . . . seems pretty clear that connie must have had   
> "affection for film" and most likely feelings that were much stronger 
> than mere affection . . . how to think about her "grief" seems to me a 
> very tough question - but to ignore it as not worthy of attention is irresponsible
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>  mike
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>  -----Original Message-----
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> On Behalf Of Henry Miller
>  Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 11:44 AM
>  To: [log in to unmask]
>  Subject: Re: Heath Ledger - can we take a dep breath??
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>  
>  I'm not particularly invested in Heath Ledger -- 'Brokeback' was a bit
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>  too Oscar-y, but you can't front on '10 Things' or 'I'm Not There' --
>  
>  yet for me this thread has thrown out some really weird and not
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>  terribly philosophical posts. If this thing is meant to be about film
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>  *and* philosophy, some interest in and/or knowledge of, or even just
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>  maybe affection for(!?), film should probably be a prerequisite.
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>  Likewise, I would not expect the death of an accredited philosopher or
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>  indeed 'filmosopher' -- produced, let's say for the sake of flamewar
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>  rhetoric, by the academic star system -- to be treated as meanly.
>  
>  Foucault also lived in the "fast lane".
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>  
>  On 1/24/08, Steven Taylor <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>  > Pretty much my reaction Michael. In fact here in the UK a very 
> common and
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>  > honest reaction amongst my peers has been 'who?'
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>  > We are getting a disproportionate amount of coverage on this 
> subject simply
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>  > because Hollywood is rolling out the grieving big guns.
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>  > Steve
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>  > On Jan 24, 2008 2:11 PM, Frank, Michael <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>  > > full disclosure:  1)  i myself didn't much care for or about 
> heath ledger;
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>  >  2) i was somewhat startled by connie's original post:   amazed 
> that anyone
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>  > would be so invested in a total stranger produced by the hollywood 
> PR
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>  > machine as to be  "grieved";   puzzled that the death of someone 
> who is part
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>  > of a "life in the fast lane" community would still be "shocking" 
> [have we
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>  > forgotten james dean and monty clift and marilyn, to say nothing of 
> an
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>  > endless list of rockers and jazz icons?];   and bemused by the 
> poster's not
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>  > quite solid grasp of  the kind of discourse that filmosophers 
> prefer to
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>  > engage in on this list
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>  > > having said that, it seems to me that the intensity of the 
> response to
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>  > that innocent [if not naïve] post suggests that the issue is indeed 
> a matter
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>  > of some philosophical import, raising questions that - if my own 
> reading of
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>  > the list is not too off-base - are more relevant to the thinking of 
> many
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>  > filmosophers than, say,  deleuze on cinematic space - and that, as 
> a result,
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>  > a careful thinking about what's at stake in this flare-up is 
> probably very
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>  > worthwhile
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>  > > certainly it's no longer news that the iconic stature of 
> hollywood "stars"
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>  > plays an important  part in the "meaning" of cinematic texts - "star
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>  > studies" is now a fully enfranchised academic field - so a direct expression
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>  > of this aspect of cinematic meaning should, on the face of it, 
> solicit not
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>  > vitriol but theory
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>  > > it will be interesting to see how this thread plays out * *
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