medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
On Wednesday, October 31, 2007, at 1:28 pm, christopher crockett wrote:
> and i assume that there will be numerous English examples (and
> examples from
> wherever else that curious, mongrel, oxymoronic institution of "monastic
> cathedrals" spawned).
>
>
> butbut, i would venture the suggestion that those councils/synods were
> held in
> those places precisely and soley because the place was a *cathedral* --the
> monastic connection being hapenstantialistic and secondary.
I'm not sure that this distinction really works for Monreale initially. Not only was the cathedral the abbey church of the monastery but for at least the first century there wasn't very much up there other than the monastery (which itself was quite large: 100 monks at its founding in 1174) and a couple of villages housing the lay staff of the abbey and the archdiocese. If an early abbot-archbishop (and from the same person always occupied both offices) held a synod there, he had no choice but to hold it in the abbey of Santa Maria la Nuova.
Still, granting this distinction for the sake of argument, see below.
> encore:
>
> is there any other instance of a council (significant or otherwise) being
> hosted at a monastery [qua monastery] in the West, during the High Middle
> Ages?
>
> i added "other" because i just realised that the 1130 Etampes council
> *was*
> held in a "monastery," of sorts --the (royal and secular) collegial
> abbey of
> St. Mary of Etampes, the abbot of which sometimes referred to himself
> in the
> charters as "abbas regalium abbatiarum" (the others being St. Spire of
> Corbeil, St. Mello of Melun, St.Denis de la Châtre, etc.).
>
> but i mean a *real* monastery.
>
> c
Some Irish examples, one certain, two others likely:
First Synod of Cashel (1101). Presumably held in the monastery, as the first bishop's church there was consecrated only in 1134.
Synod of Kells-Mellifont (1152), held in the abbeys of Kells and Mellifont.
I'm guessing that the intervening Synod of Rathbreasail (ca. 1111) was also held at a monastery.
Best again,
John Dillon
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