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Rats - back to the drawingboard, so to speak. The head of the figure at Gresford is badly damaged and I can't tell if he's mitred - will have to go and have another look. The figure at Beaumaris is more clearly mitred but from the images you refer to that doesn't really help!
Maddy
Dr Madeleine Gray, in the foothills of God's golden county of Gwent
Senior Lecturer in History
School of Education/Ysgol Addysg
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From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Dillon
Sent: 12 November 2007 17:58
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Subject: Re: [M-R] saints of the day 6. November - St Leonard of Noblac
medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
Dear Maddy,
Not so fast! I was looking at typical Italian instances, where L. lacks a crozier. But he's often figured elsewhere as an abbot, in monastic garb and wearing a crozier. Examples follow.
The article on L. ("Leonardo di Nobiliacum") in the _ Bibliotheca Sanctorum_, VII, 1198-208, has at col. 1203 a good view of a fourteenth-century statue, in the cathedral of Würzburg, of L. holding a chain in his right hand and a crozier in his left.
Two views of this type here, the top one a late fifteenth-century example from Stuttgart:
http://tinyurl.com/29zr5s
Larger view of bottom one (in the Theobaldskapelle of the Leonhardskirche in Basel):
http://www.leonhardskirche.ch/bildleonhard.html
Others:
On the Leonhardikirche in Bad Sankt Leonhard im Lavanttal (Land Kärnten) in Austria:
http://tinyurl.com/23swl3
In the Augustiner-Museum at Rattenberg (Land Tirol) in Austria:
http://www.augustinermuseum.at/sammlung_leonhard.htm
And here he is as a mitred abbot (C13), in the Pfarrkirche hl. Michael at St Michael im Lungau (Land Salzburg) in Austria:
http://www.burgenseite.com/faschen/st_michael_faces_6.jpg
Best again,
John Dillon
On: Monday, November 12, 2007, at 8:53 am, Maddy Gray wrote:
> Many thanks, John - that's great. The crucial thing I think is the
> absence of a crozier (or of course a mitre) - which makes me incline
> towards the idea that the Gresford figure is not Leonard but Ninian.
>
> Maddy
>
> Dr Madeleine Gray, in the foothills of God's golden county of Gwent
>
> Senior Lecturer in History
>
> School of Education/Ysgol Addysg
>
> University of Wales, Newport/Prifysgol Cymru, Casnewydd
>
> Caerleon Campus/Campws Caerllion, PO /Blwch Post 179
>
> Newport/Casnewydd NP18 3YG, Wales/Cymru
>
> Tel: +44 (0)1633.432675
>
>
> 'I ask you for help. And all you give me is ...papers!'
> (Magda in Gian Carlo Menotti's The Consul)
>
>
>
> History at University of Wales, Newport: http://timezone.newport.ac.uk
> Gwent County History Association website:
> http://gwent-county-history-association.newport.ac.uk
> Cistercian Way: http://cistercian-way.newport.ac.uk
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious
> culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John
> Dillon
> Sent: 12 November 2007 14:42
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [M-R] saints of the day 6. November - St Leonard of Noblac
>
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
> culture
>
> Dear Maddy,
>
> Although that sculpture above the main portal (one of a flanking pair)
> at San Leonardo di Lama Volara (San Leonardo di Siponto) is almost
> certainly a representation of St. Leonard, there's no documentation to
> prove that. Though the author of the site you looked at cautiously
> avoids identifying this sculpture flat-out as Leonard, using instead a
> conditional form ("Si tratterebbe"), I think it's pretty clearly L.
> Note the similar iconography in his mosaic representation (later
> twelfth- or early thirteenth-century) in the Cappella Palatina at
> Palermo:
> http://tinyurl.com/2xc8x3
>
> Here's another example of the same iconography (said to be of 1485; in
> private hands):
> http://tinyurl.com/382bzf
>
> Best,
> John Dillon
>
> On Monday, November 12, 2007, at 7:55 am, Madeleine Gray wrote:
>
> > John, I've looked at the detailed depiction of the saint at
> > http://www.garganonline.net/S.Leo2.html - do you know of any others?
>
> > Or does anyone else have a good image showing how the saint was
> > depicted in the late medieval period? I'm looking at the iconography
>
> > of the font at Gresford which has a figure with manacles and
> fetters.
> > This is traditionally identified as Leonard, and there is a chapel
> > dedicated to St Leonard nearby. On the other hand, the figure at
> > Gresford has what looks like a crozier and could be mitred (too much
>
> > damage to be really sure) so I'm wondering if it could possibly be
> > Ninian.
> >
> > I'm still trying to track down a reference I was given by a research
>
> > student some time ago about connections between the cult of St Leonard
>
> > and the Templars. Has anyone else come across this?
> >
> > Maddy
> >
> > Dr Madeleine Gray, in the foothills of God's golden county of Gwent
> >
> > Senior Lecturer in History
> >
> > School of Education/Ysgol Addysg
> >
> > University of Wales, Newport/Prifysgol Cymru, Casnewydd
> >
> > Caerleon Campus/Campws Caerllion, PO /Blwch Post 179
> >
> > Newport/Casnewydd NP18 3YG, Wales/Cymru
> >
> > Tel: +44 (0)1633.432675
> >
> >
> > 'I ask you for help. And all you give me is ...papers!'
> > (Magda in Gian Carlo Menotti's The Consul)
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