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From: Ms B M Cook <[log in to unmask]>
> It has occurred to me that the Council might have taken place in BOTH
Etampes AND Morigny since it would have been a large gathering of prelates,
not all of which could be accommodated in either place. The locations are
only a mile apart (which I had not appreciated - I should have consulted a
but the best "atlas" to consult is
Claudine Billot. _Atlas historique des villes de France : Etampes._
sous la direction de Ch. Higounet, J.-B. Marquette et Ph. Wolff ; [par le
Centre de recherches sur l'occupation du sol et le peuplement de l'Université
de Bordeaux III (E.R.A. 433)]. Paris : Editions du CNRS, 1982.
[Consisting of two folding maps maps redrawn from the 1:2.500 cadastre of
1825, and a single folio leaf, folded, with a title page, and 3 pages of
double-columned text, not paginated]
which i'm relying on.
p. 2: "les bénédictins de l'abbaye de la Sainte-Trinité de Morigny, à deux
kilomètres en aval de la ville"
"de la ville" of course might mean different things at different times.
Billot's Atlas shows the north walls of the _castrum_ of which St. Mary's was
the center just a few "blocks" north of the church --whether this represents
the early 12th c. situation or not is not clear. (i'll be happy to send you,
Brenda, or anyone else who asks the detailed jpgs i've got of the town maps
and my OCR of the short text.)
surely we may assume that *some* of the guests arriving in town for the
council were boarded up there at Morigny, but should remember that that house
was definitely, at this time, an abbey of relatively recent foundation and,
therefore, probably of modest size.
what the "claustral" buildings around St. Mary's looked like is, of course,
impossible to say.
but, the place was over a hundred years old by 1130, was the major
ecclesiastical institution in the whole (_pagus stampensis_) region, and we
may assume that there was *some* kind of infrastructure surrounding the
already rather substantial (and growing) church itself.
e.g., there is mention of a hospital connected to the abbey in the later 12th
c., and it may have been there well before that first appearance in the
this is it in the 18th c.:
(St. Mary's is just off the bottom of the plan)
otOh, my concept of this unreformed, secular collegial is that it was not a
particularly large institution --certainly not on the scale of a major
Benedictine house, with many monks, dormitories, refectories, scriptoria,
it was a center of economic and politcal exploitation within the region,
firmly under the control of the king(s), above all a source of patronage
within the complex network of interlocking power upon which the Capetian
monarchy depended for its very existence.
of course, "spirtually" the collegial provided the Ju-Ju appropriate to
reinforce the Power Structure in place, together with the "pastoral"
requirements of the lay population at large necessary to satisfy the
continuation of the very curious middlevil "system" of social and political
previously i mentioned the king's "castle" --about a km or so to the West of
St. Mary's, on a hill overlooking the valley and town-- and should say that i
am only guessing (based on the style of the capitals still visible in it) that
the present ruined one was substantially build by 1130
(in any event, there would have been a substantial castle there before the
only the remains of the great tower remains, but it was undoubtedly only the
most durable part of a much larger complex of buildings:
(bottom of this page)
in addition, there seems to have been a "palace" in the lower town --not far
from St. Mary's-- in the time of Queen Constance; and this, which has
disappeared without a trace, might have been still in use.
so, where would Innocent2 and his entourage have stayed?
close to the Action, en centre ville as the guests of the canons of St.
or en retrait, in much more modest digs out at Morigny?
or taking the country aires as the guests of the king up on the hill:
hard to say, at this distance in time.
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