Jim, Prospero's a goofball. He's the King of Klunk. All that heavy
stuff you're quoting is stuff he's in effect trying out in front of a
mirror. He wants to be the Prospero of your dreams. Don't let him get
away with all that "Hey, I've pardoned the deceiver" nonsense.
On Sep 20, 2007, at 7:36 AM, James C. Nohrnberg wrote:
> I am far from believing that Shakespeare led a life of allegory, or
> that the author is altogether any one of his characters, but
> certainly on occasion we can feel invited to pick up the thread.
> As most of us will have told our students, the trick is to connect
> this:
>
> Methought the billows spoke and told me of it,
> The winds did sing it to me, and the thunder,
> That deep and dreadful organ pipe, pronounced
> The name of Prosper; it did bass my trespass.
> Therefore my son i' th' ooze is bedded; and
> I'll seek him deeper than e'er plummet sounded
> And with him there lie mudded. ...
>
> (Where Hamnet is present/absent)
>
> And this:
>
> ... But this rough magic
> I here abjure; and when I have required
> Some heavenly music (which even now I do)
> To work mine end upon their senses that
> This airy charm is for, I'll break my staff,
> Bury it certain fathoms in the earth,
> And deeper than did ever plummet sound
> I'll drown my book.
>
> (Where staff is the same one that appears in Falstaff/Shake-spear.)
>
> With this:
>
> I have had a most rare vision. I have had a dream, past the wit of
> man to say what dream it was. ... The eye of man hath not heard,
> the ear of man hath not seen, man's hand is not able to taste, his
> tongue to conceive, nor his heart to report what my dream was. I
> shall get Peter Quince to write a ballet of this dream. It shall
> be called "Bottom's Dream," because it hath no bottom; and I will
> sing it in the latter end of our play, before the duke.
>
> And this triumphant announcement from the same party:
>
> for the short and the long is, our play is preferred.
>
> -- Jim N.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:46:37 -0400
> "James C. Nohrnberg" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> The belief that it was not Shakespeare who wrote those plays which
>> he is credited with or which have been fathered on him is merely
>> the frustrated perception -- under another name -- that nobody
>> could have written those plays. But Alonzo hasn't drowned
>> himself, Ferdinand hasn't drowned, and Prospero's book, insofar as
>> it's Shakespeare's, refuses to be lost to its master. -- Jim N.
>> On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:02:44 -0400
>> Lauren Silberman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> I believe that Paul Oskar Kristeller expressed the opinion that
>>> the plays of Shakespeare were written by another man of the same
>>> name. Lauren
>>> At 10:27 AM 9/19/2007, you wrote:
>>> It does make sense that Greville wrote some of Shakespeare's
>>> works. Since Shakespeare was so busy translating the King James
>>> Bible, he would hardly have had the time for sonnets. But then,
>>> who wrote Greville's poems? Perhaps Marlowe. There's the dating
>>> problem, but I'm sure there's a way around it. Greville's ghost
>>> could no doubt solve the conundrum for us, if we can interrupt
>>> one of his nightly rounds.
>>> By the way, did list members catch the news in the NYTimes that
>>> the first graduate program in Shakespeare Authorship Studies is
>>> being convened at Brunel University in London? And a "Statement
>>> of Reasonable Doubt" in the Stratfordian hyphothesis has been
>>> signed by the usual suspects: Derek Jacobi, Mark Rylance, etc. I
>>> have a theory of my own that the celebrated roles of Derek Jacobi
>>> (I, Claudius, Cadfael, Underworld: Evolution) were actually
>>> performed by someone else. In some cases, he might actually
>>> support the theory himself. The truth will out.
>>> Hannibal
>>> Hannibal Hamlin Associate Professor of English The Ohio State
>>> University Book Review Editor and Associate Editor, Reformation
>>> Mailing Address (2007-2009): The Folger Shakespeare Library 201
>>> Capitol Street SE Washington, DC 20003 Permanent Address:
>>> Department of English The Ohio State University 421 Denney Hall,
>>> 164 W. 17th Avenue Columbus, OH 43210-1340
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: anne prescott
>>> <[log in to unmask]> Date: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 8:48
>>> am Subject: Re: Master of Shakespeare > Thanks for this, Matt. I
>>> think. Sort of. I'll add Greville to Mary > > Sidney amd Oxford
>>> as the creator of Shakespeare. I might add that > nowadays once
>>> your college posts its curriculum that if, as in my > case this
>>> year, you're doing the Shakespeare course, you get some > mighty
>>> peculiar ads for books or even, in my case, a slim volume. > But
>>> > even before such public posting, years ago when I was teaching
>>> my > fable and fantasy course I got an essay from someone showing
>>> that > Queen Victoria wrote the Alice books. Curiouser and
>>> curiouser. Off > to > teach L's LL and will tell the students
>>> about Greville (and the > Greville kids, as we call them at
>>> Kalamazoo). By the way, decades > ago > when I was on my
>>> honeymoon and we were visiting Warwick castle the > > guide told
>>> us that Greville "walks" there. Maybe he reads this e- > list,
>>> too. Anne. > > On Sep 19, 2007, at 4:47 AM, Steggle, Matthew
>>> wrote: > > > Fulke Greville fans might want to know that there's
>>> a new book > out, > > which has a rather surprising hypothesis
>>> about him: > > > > http://www.masterofshakespeare.com/ > > > > I
>>> note that its ideas are already turning up on wikipedia, so > >
>>> expect a rush of enquiries. > > > > - Matt > > > -- > BEGIN-
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