dear m p ranjan,
i know csikszentmihalyi's work quite well but i would not characterize it as
being concerned with an ecological approach to artifacts. he looks at how
people interpret things, not how species of artifacts interact, which is the
subject of an ecology of artifacts.
nice to hear from you again. glad your work with ordinary materials
(bamboo) gets the attention it deserves.
klaus
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From: Ranjan MP [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 6:02 AM
To: Klaus Krippendorff
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Subject: Re: [PHD-DESIGN] Origins of 'The Ecology of the Artificial'?
Dear Klaus
I would tend to agree with you on the Science of the Artificial. However one
title that I would include to the list of books dealing with objects and
ecologies of objects is the following:
Csikszentmihalyi, M., & Rochberg-Halton, E. (1981). The meaning of things:
Domestic symbols and the self. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.
Further, other sources that touched on the concept for me include:
Bateson's "Steps" was the first source for me that introduced the concept of
"ecology" in human systems although we had been discussing (as students at
NID) Bucky Fullers works with John McHale, particularly in the Design
Science Decade volumes where World Resources and systems implications are
discussed in great detail. Stafford Beer' "Platform for Change" is another
holistic perspective that helped clarify concepts of systems and ecologies
of relationships in the early 80's and late 70's.
Eric Jantsch, The self organizing universe, Scientific and Human
Implication: of the Emerging Paradigm of Evolution, New York: Pergamon. 1980
was another source of inspiration. I mention these sources since we at NID
were looking at product design in our local context and some of these
sources helped greatly in setting our own goals and directions in the early
days. The discussions in the Hfg Ulm Journals was definitely another
influencial resource that comes to my mind.
By the way some of our bamboo product designs are on display at the IFA
Gallery in Stuttgart, Germany for this month and in Berlin till October. You
can see more about these products in these links below and it may be
significant in the context of this discussion since we were looking at both
biological aspects of systems and local ecology as well as the material
ecologies on the kind of objects that we would design in order to help local
communities help themselves as a development initiative in India.
<http://cms.ifa.de/en/exhibitions/dt/past-exhibitions/2007/in-site/bambus-in
itiative/>
<http://cms.ifa.de/en/exhibitions/dt/past-exhibitions/2007/in-site/bambus-in
itiative/>
<http://design-for-india.blogspot.com/2007/07/ifa-exhibitions-in-stuttgart-a
nd-berlin.html>
<http://design-for-india.blogspot.com/2007/07/ifa-exhibitions-in-stuttgart-a
nd-berlin.html>
With warm regards
M P Ranjan
from my office at NID
25 July 2007 at 3.30 pm IST
Prof M P Ranjan
Faculty of Design
Head, Centre for Bamboo Initiatives at NID (CFBI-NID)
Chairman, GeoVisualisation Task Group (DST, Govt. of India) (2006-2008)
National Institute of Design
Paldi
Ahmedabad 380 007 India
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Klaus Krippendorff wrote:
viveka,
simon's 1969 book is titled "the sciences of the artificial" -- not of
objects and he was definitely not interested in an ecology of artifacts.
his rationalist approach would almost preclude ecological considerations.
i would be interested to know what these authors actually meant by this
phrase.
klaus
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From: PhD-Design - This list is for discussion of PhD studies and related
research in Design [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Viveka
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Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 1:14 AM
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Subject: Re: Origins of 'The Ecology of the Artificial'?
The origins of 'The Ecology of the Artificial'
The timeline I have so far from the references people have given me is as
follows:
1968, Baudrillard, "The System of Objects"
1969, Simon HA, "The Science of Objects"
1972, Bateson, "Steps to an Ecology of Mind"
1978, Boulding KE, "Ecodynamics: A New Theory of Societal Evolution"
1988, Branzi "Learning from Milan: Design and the Second Modernity"
1989, Krippendorff, "On the Essential Contexts of Artifacts or on the
Proposition that 'Design is Making Sense (of Things)'"
1990, "The Munich Design Charter"
1990, Manzini, "Artifacts. Verso una nuova ecologia dell'ambiente
artificiale"
1992, Manzini "Prometheus of the Everyday: The Ecology of the Artificial and
the Designer's Responsibility"
1993, Pantzar P, "Do Commodities reproduce themselves through human beings,
towards an ecology of goods"
Thanks
v.
On 25/07/07, Viveka Turnbull <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Ooops, that was a typo it is 1988 (not 1888) it was used by Andrea
Branzi in his book 'Learning from Milan: Design and the Second Modernity'
Thanks
v.
On 25/07/07, John Feland <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Viveka,
It's probably a play on Science of the Artificial, Herb Simon's
definition of Design. Or maybe, given your 1888 reference, Simon
got it from Branzi.
Cheers,
John
At 10:33 PM 7/23/2007, you wrote:
I am trying to trace the origins of the term 'The Ecology of the
Artificial'
in 1992 Manzini uses it in the Design Issues paper 'Prometheus of
the Everyday'
in 1990 it is used in 'the Munich Design Charter', published in
Design Issues in 1991 in 1888 it used by Andrea Branzi in his book
'Learning from Milan:
Design
and the Second Modernity'
Does the term come from Branzi or from somewhere ells?
Thanks
v.
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