Hi Diana .
I'm not sure about being better paid - but it's difficult to compare the
value of pay 30+ years and the value now. However, I certainly don't feel
I'm better paid after 30 years experience now as an NHS librarian!
I think if I'd been a bit more savvy back then, rather than fresh from
school & still wet behind the ears, I would have been talking to my union -
I know that I, & the other library assistants, thought it was a bit much
that we were routinely expected to work extra time. I don't think
professionalism should equal exploitation; & if 'professional' means
working regularly beyond our contractual hours then I think we should be
paid accordingly.
Malcolm
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From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Diana Nutting
Sent: 28 November 2006 17:56
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Subject: Re: Guardian Article on CILIP
I agree with Malcolm. It was the same in the dark ages when I first started.
We regarded that as normal, and we were far more respected as professionals
and far better paid back then. If you don't act professional you don't get
perceived as professional, and I'm afraid professionals don't watch the
clock ticking round second by second.
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From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Dobson, Malcolm
Sent: 28 November 2006 14:25
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Subject: Re: Guardian Article on CILIP
When I started working in libraries (well over 30 years ago) my working
hours started when the library opened & finished when it shut. That was
'official' working hours, of course - in reality one had to start earlier to
make sure everything was ready, & finish later after tidying up etc. &
'closing time' meant just that - the doors were locked, but there could
still be people getting their books stamped. After a particularly busy
Saturday or late night it could take an hour after closing to file the
issue, shelve returned books, tidy the shelves, count the takings, etc. etc.
(& we would have change out of a fiver after a slap-up meal & a show) (fades
out mumbling 'when I were a lad...' & 'librarians today don't know when
they're well off ...')
& the point is, it's not just 'current practice' - things were ever thus.
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Sent: 28 November 2006 10:56
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Subject: Re: Guardian Article on CILIP
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One reason I prefer public access computers to
A) prevent users logging time that passes library closing
B) have automatic warnings
C) autoshutdown 5 minutes prior to closing
For some reason users tend to prefer computers telling them it is closing
time rather than librarians - sign of the times ;(
I hope the librarians were paid for time after closing for securing
premises, but somehow I doubt it. Current(?) commercial practice in
supermarkets (supposedly our role models) is to pay staff up to closing,
then expect them to stay to secure tills, etc
Mark
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From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
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Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 6:51 PM
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Subject: Re: Guardian Article on CILIP
Ralph Adam wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, 'was' should have read 'is'!
>
> I was in a Kent library on Saturday and that's exactly what happened -
> but the 'readers' objected loudly claiming they still had time left on
> their PCs. They refused to knuckle-down shouting that they expected
> higher-quality service from librarians!
>
And while we as devoted servants of the public can't mention such sordid
things - of course the Kent staff were a) professional librarians and b)
paid for the time they spend securing the premises after closing time.
Of course they were.
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David Allen
London
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