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Re: multiple correlation

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Ged Ridgway <[log in to unmask]>

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Ged Ridgway <[log in to unmask]>

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Wed, 13 Dec 2006 21:56:05 +0000

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krishna Miyapuram wrote:
> I am sure that there hasn been quite a bit of
> discussion on multiple regression with and without
> constant. After archive search, i couldn't find a
> conclusive answer to the following

Hi Krishna,

When it comes to subtle issues of statistics and "conclusive" answers 
there can surely be no better approach than a somewhat cartoon-like 
powerpoint presentation...

The attached is my attempt at understanding this -- I hope it is of 
some use to you.

> a) When do i use multiple regression with constant and
> when do i use without constant. 

As you can see from the examples in my slides/thought experiment, it 
usually seems like a good idea to include a constant... I guess there 
might be more complicated cases (especially multivariate) where a 
constant would be a bad idea, but I can't think of a good example... 
(maybe someone else will reply with one?)

> b) do i need to mean center the covariate (regressor)
> in these two cases? 

If you do include a constant, then mean-centring the covariate will 
only change the estimated beta for the constant (mean-centring 
involves subtracting some of a constant from the covariate, so the 
beta for the constant increases to add this subtracted bit back 
again), as the beta for the covariate will depend on the part of it 
which is orthogonal to the constant. Note that with a constant, 
mean-centring is just a special case of orthogonalisation, and 
orthogonalising one variable with respect to a bunch of others changes 
the betas for the others, but not the orthogonalised variable, since 
least-squares is interested in the orthogonal bit anyway. See:

http://dx.doi.org/10.1006/nimg.1999.0479

Without a constant, mean-centring the covariate is probably a good 
idea (not certain about that, but seems like it from my slides...)

> For example, when i run a simple regression
> (correlation) analysis, (with constant term by
> default), i get around 693 voxels,  but when i omit the
> constant term the number of activated voxels reduces
> to 495

I'd guess this is a less extreme version of my slides 6 and 7, i.e. 
your covariate has a greater mean than your data; with a constant, you 
have a strong correlation, without it, the slope has to be 
artificially reduced to avoid multiplying the covariate's mean up by 
too much.

> and finally when i mean center the covariate
> (without the constant term), the number of active
> voxels is 731. 

So this would then be my slide 8, which apparently indicates that the 
slope/correlation should be the same as slide 6 or your first 
with-constant case. So why the extra voxels? Well, this is a bit of a 
guess, but the single covariate model has higher (by 1) error Degrees 
of Freedom than the model with the constant, so the mean-square-error 
is slightly smaller for the same fitted slope (same sum-square-error), 
and hence the t-contrast appears slightly more significant.

> This example above is a simple test case and i would
> want to extend this logic to multiple regresion,

It becomes difficult to draw powerpoint cartoons for multiple 
regression :-( but hopefully the intuition from the above will help 
you still. I'd probably favour including a constant. Also, for the 
more general problem of orthogonalising covariates, see the paper 
linked earlier.

Note also, that the case of over-specified models, e.g. where a 
constant is included but additionally some of the covariates together 
can recreate a pure constant (i.e. the covariates (including the 
constant) are not linearly independent) is a different problem. This 
is okay in SPM (due to the use of generalised inverses) so long as you 
only test contrasts that ask unambiguous questions. There's detailed 
stuff about this "estimability of contrasts" in HBF2.

> i do think that including the constant term is a sort
> of a good way to control the intercept and test for
> the slope/gradient of regression. 

I think I agree.

> On other thoughts, including a constant term is going
> to absorb activations due to the main effect of the
> contrast,

Including the constant will absorb some effect of a covariate with 
non-zero mean, if the data is non-zero mean. I think though that this 
is a usually good thing, though I guess I should admit that it might 
be complicated and design-specific -- see the paper linked above. In 
some cases, (imagine a version of slides 3 and 2 with the data pretty 
horizontal) it would be good that the "effect" disappeared!

> hence there would essentially be no overlap
> between the results from a one sample t-test and a
> correlation analysis. 

I don't think this is right, e.g. slide 2 would give significant 
t-test -- data is strongly non-zero mean; and significant (negative) 
correlation -- adjusting for the mean, data is correlated with the 
covariate.

I hope that all makes sense, and that my over-simplified examples 
aren't too over-simplified to be of some use...

Ged.


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