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I wonder if there were fewer porches in London parishes. Because some churches
were jammed in between other buildings, did they have porches as often as
churches outside of London? might this be another reason why no references to
porch weddings?
Kit
On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 19:41:09 -0400
Shannon McSheffrey <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Dave -- on marriages "in facie ecclesie," I found that in descriptions of
> solemnizations in London in the fifteenth century that that phrase sometimes
>
> quite clearly meant "before the congregation" (which is actually how the
> canonist Lyndwood glossed it in the fifteenth century), rather than "at the
> door of the church": sometimes a witness to a solemnization of marriage
> would
> say that the words of consent were exchanged in the *nave* of the church,
> "in
> facie ecclesie". In London, there are no descriptions where exchanges of
> consent took place in the church porch (one witness does describe such a
> solemnization that took place in Cambridge); there are a number that clearly
>
> describe the exchange of consent happening in the nave; and most, of course,
>
> don't specify one way or another. Clearly in London church porch weddings
> were
> by no means universal, and in fact I couldn't find any mention of them. This
>
> is not to say that they weren't common/normal elsewhere in England, but I
> think that sometimes people have tended to over-generalize partly because of
>
> the ambiguity of the phrase "in facie ecclesie". I discuss all this, by the
> way, in a forthcoming book: I'll send you separately the passages with all
> the
> references.
>
> Shannon
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