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See the chapter on Church Propert, c. XI, in E. Garth Moore, An
introduction to English Canon Law (Oxford, 1967), pp. 97-106, for the
distinction between consecration & dedication with their different
impacts in law. Moore says they are not different theologically but a
dedication "amounts in law to no more than an expression of pious
intention." Consecration occurs "only after freehold to the land has
been secured." I presume that covers mortgages as obstacles to
consecration. Consecration, once registered, sets the land aside for
sacred uses.
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Is this true for the pre-Reformation church? the standard line is that
the
chancel belongs to the priest as care taker for God and the nave the
laity,
that being said, it doesn't prevent the bishop from closing and
consolidating
parishes after the black death in the 14th cent. i've recently been
wondering
about that mechanism. but an earlier post said a similar thing, and i
was
wondering if there are medieval examples of a creditor taking back an
in debt
church--i don't don't know of an example off hand. and could this be a
mechanism for tryingt to prevent a bishop from closing a parish
church--disputing whether a church was consecrated or not? i had
assumed
(wrongly as it turns out) that hallowing was the term used by the laity
for
consecrating.
kit french
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:50:45 +0100
Whitehead John <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Dear Listmembers,
> It was explained to me that within the Church of England the
difference
>between the consecration and dedication of a church is that when the
building
>is consecrated it falls under the jurisdiction of the bishop in
respect of
>its fabric- the church in part belongs to the diocesan ordinary, and
>consequently alterations and the introduction or removal of
furnishings come
>under faculty jurisdiction. Dedication sets the church apart as a
sanctified
>place, but does not place it under episcopal or archdiaconal
jurisdiction.
>Thus a priest friend of mine who had to build a new church for his
parish
>following the demolition of the previous church building only had it
>dedicated, thus, as a sound Anglo-Catholic, preventing the bishop or
>archdeacon being able to interfere as to the decoration of the church
-
>no-one, to cite Belloc, could object to the introduction of a statue
of a
>woman with a child...
> John Whitehead,
> Oriel College, Oxford
> Churchwarden of St Thomas the Martyr, Oxford
> Bill East <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> At 01:21 PM 10/27/2004 +0100, Bill wrote:
>>Actually it is not necessary to consecrate new churches. They are
>>usually in use for some time before being consecrated. It is
customary
>>to ensure that they are fully out of debt before consecrating them.
>
> I'm curious--why do they need to be out of debt first? Isn't the
> commitment to holiness and God's work the same whether or not there
is
> a
> mortgage? And is there a difference between dedication and
> consecration?
>
> To answer your last question first: consecration is permanent, and
very
> solemn. A building may be blessed, or approved for worship in some
> informal way, without being consecrated. If a church is in debt, a
> creditor might claim it back, or it might have to be closed or sold
off
> to meet the debt. You don't consecrate a building while that threat
is
> still hanging over it.
>
> Bill.
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