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Celia Chazelle has kindly pointed out to me that the warrior image I
mentioned is Louis the Pious not Christ. So much for not checking out an
image before writing. (I suppose I could say right image, wrong person :-)
)
Apologies
Grover Zinn
--On Wednesday, September 15, 2004 4:43 PM -0400 Grover Zinn
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> Given the image from Ravenna, let me mention the image of Christ dressed
> as
> a warrior in one of Rabanus Maurus' carmina figurata (poems with inscribed
> images); I don't have bibl. reference, unfortunately.
>
> I'd also mention (not an "expert" on this!) the _Dream of the Rood_ where
> Christ is described as a Warrior when the leaps upon the Cross; and
> warrior
> images/designations occur later as well.
>
> The hymns of Venantius Fortunatus on the Cross may also offer some clues.
>
> Grover Zinn
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> --On Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:58 PM -0500 "John B. Dillon"
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>> I don't remember and can't quickly identify the depiction in Rome of
>> which Marjorie speaks. There's a famous one in the cathedral of
>> St.-Etienne in Auxerre. See:
>> http://www.auxerre.com/decouver/ville3.htm
>> http://perso.wanadoo.fr/ot-auxerre/patgb.htm#cathedral
>>
>> Here's a sixth-century Coptic comb with what has been interpreted as a
>> Christ on horseback:
>> http://www.copticmuseum.gov.eg/English/internal/gallery_z1.asp?piece_id=1
>> 12§ion_ID=7
>>
>> But I'm not sure that these images are exactly what you want. A famous
>> representation of Christ militant is this well known sixth-century
>> mosaic from the Archiepiscopal Chapel in Ravenna:
>> http://www.stanford.edu/class/ihum21a/img/b9.jpg
>> This is reproduced in Jaroslav Pelikan, _Jesus through the Centuries_
>> (Yale Univ. Pr., 1985), after p. 30, and in many other venues.
>>
>> Going further back, you will find lots on Hebraic antecedents in Martin
>> Klingbeil, _Yahweh Fighting from Heaven: God as Warrior and as God of
>> Heaven in the Hebrew Psalter and Ancient Near Eastern Iconography_
>> (Fribourg [Suisse]: University Press; Go"ttingen: Vandenhoeck &
>> Ruprecht, 1999; Orbis Biblicus et Orientalis, no. 169).
>>
>> Best,
>> John Dillon
>>
>> PS: It's Sta Prasseda (Latin: Praxedis).
>>
>> Marjorie Greene wrote:
>>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
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>>> I recently visited a church in Rome with a depiction of Christ as a
>>> warrior (I think) on a white horse. It's rather famous, but I can't
>>> remember which church it was in. I've tried the websites of Sta Sabina,
>>> Ss Crisogono and Clemente, Sta Maria in Trastevere. I also visited
>>> either Sta Pudenziana or Sta Pressede (sp?) but can't remember which.
>>> Perhaps John Dillon knows where this image is. Since you mentioned
>>> "Religious art," I thought I'd call your attention to this image - whose
>>> whereabouts I've despaired of finding! MG
>>> p.s. There are a lot of websites concerning the rider on a white (pale)
>>> horse as Christ, so this apocalyptic image should have a wealth of
>>> literature about it.
>>>
>>> -- Salvador Ryan <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
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>>>
>>> Dear listmembers,
>>>
>>>
>>> I would be grateful if you could help me out on this one. I am currently
>>> writing something on late medieval Gaelic Irish depictions of Christ in
>>> warrior-mode, i.e. defeating the enemy by riding into battle on his
>>> steed (the cross). I am aware of some work done on the continental
>>> medieval lover- knight theme but was wondering if someone would be so
>>> kind as to point me in the direction of useful works on the longer
>>> historical development of the more general warrior-Christ theme and its
>>> appearance in the Fathers / religious art / devotional literature etc.
>>> (from the earliest centuries to the later medieval and early modern
>>> periods), including, of course, the more specific lover-knight theme
>>> also.
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>>
>>> Dr Salvador Ryan, Department of Modern History, NUI Maynooth, Ireland.
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