I think that is a bit overstated. The Discalced I know are just as
sensitive to the "foundation myth" of Elijah as the ancient observance
friars, though I grant you the point on their veneration of the sixteenth
century reformers.
The more interesting evolution among the discalced is their current
involvment in peace and social justice issues ,witness the big conference
in Chicago this week of both branches
of the order: http://www.carmeliteinstitute.org/Conferences-Upcoming.html
A strange turn of evolution for an order whose defining characteristic
has been a radical contemplative stance involving quite significane
disengagement with the active mission of the Order. (But then Carmelites
have had something of an identity problem ever since they moved from the
Holy Land to Europe in the late 12th century).
jw
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:18:40 +0100 Bill East wrote:
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> > Elijah (also Orthodox) (9th cent. BCE) The prophet.
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> Although the Catholic Church does not usually think in terms of Old
> Testament saints, there is great veneration for the prophet Elijah
> among the Calced Carmelites.
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> For those who are unfamiliar with the distinction, the Calced
> Carmelites are the original Carmelites, tracing their origin to hermits
> found on Mount Carmel by the crusaders, who in turn claimed descent
> from the disciples of the prophet Elijah.
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> The reformed or Discalced (barefoot) Carmelites were founded by St
> Teresa of Ávila and St John of the Cross. If you visit a house of
> Discalced Carmelites, you will very likely find pictures or statues of
> these two saints; but if you visit a Calced house, you will find a
> picture of the prophet Elijah; an easy way to know which kind of
> Carmelite you are dealing with, without needing to ask.
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> Bill.
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