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thanks, John.
"John B. Wickstrom" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>Papal vicars are indeed different animals than papal legates.
i either never came across the distinction before or, more likely, didn't
realise that i'd come across it when i came across it, wherever that might
have been.
>The latter, as they developed anyway from the 11th century to the modern
period were temporary and then permanent ambassadors to various countries and
courts.
my meager understanding comes from 12th c. french sources (and the collection
of them by Wilhelm Janssen (_Die päpstlichen Legaten in Frankreich, vom
Schisma Anaklets II. bis zum Tode Coelestins III. (1130-1198), Köln : Böhlau
Verlag, 1961).
i've got an important bishop of Chartres (Godfrey of Leves, 1115-49)
who was legate for France for much of his tenure, and i was just wondering
what, exactly, that might have entailed in terms of his traveling around,
corresponding etc.
seems like i recall in later 12th and 13th c. charters the practice of
settling disputes by the pope having his legate appointing a court of three or
so "good men" to hear a case, and i've always considered dispute settlement to
have been one of their main duties.
Godfrey of Chartres is to be seen at various important occasions --like at
Suger's dedication of his new church-- but i can never be sure whether he's
there as just a friend, an influential churchman, papal legate, or what.
>The term papal vicar is a rarer appointment, so far as I can tell, and
refers to someone exercising the power of the pope (as the term applies).
sounds like there wouldn't be much call for a "papal vicar" in Northern
France, where the pope had even less "power" or "rights" than in Southern
Italy.
?
best to all from here,
christopher
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