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thanks, Teresa, for your thoughts on this subject which, unlike my own, appear
to be fully encumbered with some actual knowledge of these things.
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>some houses seem to have circulated rolls just for major figures but
others sent out rolls for "ordinary monks." Rolls were only sent out,
however, for members of the community; for example, if a roll honors a patron,
it invariably turns out that the patron joined the community prior to his
death.
yes.
yet another reason for the great desire to make arrangements to be admitted
into the Community at the end of a long life of Rape, Pillage and Slaughter.
not only would one have the prayers of one house continually dousing the
Terrible Fires of Gehenna, but the added "leverage" which the confraternity
supplied.
whole *banks* of Prayer Wheels, constantly spinning.
*that* ought to do it.
>the link between rolls and confraternities is not as neat as previously
supposed....in 1240... Solignac appears to have been in confraternity with 37
communities in 1240....the roll contains tituli (entries) from 350
communities.
!
sounds like there must have been, Europe-wide, *thousands* of rolls produced
over the years, scores and scores of them in circulation at any one time.
?
any idea of how many survive, in total?
>My theory is that some closely related houses might have been contacted with
prayer requests immediately after Hugh's death, because of their connections
to Solignac. The roll was not issued for some months after his death, and
perhaps the houses were not contacted again because they had already
commemorated Hugh in their own way.
yes.
not directly connected, but do you have any thoughts about our "cluster
obituaries" theory?
>It was the prayers that mattered, after all, not the notation on the roll
acknowledging a request for prayer.
yes.
such a curious belief system.
i've often thought that, in addition to the theological justification of the
efficacy of prayers for the dead, anniversary masses and such were of
not-inconsiderable solice to the *living* as well, and that this latter
consideration was an almost equally important factor in the persistance and
elaboration of these customs.
?
>About half the houses contributing to the roll of Abbess Mathilda of Holy
Trinity, Caen...just added a simple RIP and list of dead and about half
contributed verses which might or might not have much to do with the dead
abbess, depending on a number of factors including the relationship between
the contributing house and Holy Trinity.
and, i assume that she was a fairly Important personage, because of her
lineage and family connections, as well as the office she held.
thanks again, Teresa.
and, good luck on the Diss.
best from here,
christopher
(the oldest living A.B.D. in the Art History Department of Indiana
University)
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