medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
"John B. Wickstrom" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>Well, for centuries it was a royal abbey
yes, though it was, far as i know, never one of *the* "Royal Abbeys," which
were a group of "Royal Domain" collegiate churches very directly under the
control of the king, not infrequently with a king's younger son (or brother)
installed as Abbot (i'm thinking esp. of Louis VI's son, Henry "de France" who
was "Abbot of the royal monasteries" [so he styles himself in several
charters] before he Got Religion in the 1140s and converted to Cistercianism
and ended up as Archbishop of Sens, then Reims).
this group included, lessee, Etampes, Compiegne, Meulan(?), Poissy and several
others, the memory of which has, somehow, faded.
Royal influence was certainly pretty strong at St.-D., and i'm sure that the
King always had quite a bit to say about who was appointed abbot there (wasn't
Suger's sucessor Odo of Deuil, who accompanied Louis VII an Elenore to the
East and lived to write [part of] the tale?).
but, St.-D. was much more autonymous (perhaps more in the selection of its
lesser officers than of its abbots) than any of the royal collegials.
theoretically.
probably a distinction without a difference, now that i read that over.
>(which is the seat of an abbot, but not a cathedral, properly speaking; but
often a basilica; which is in later medieval and modern times, a special
designation by the Vatican for an important church that is not necessarily a
cathedral or bishop's seat. )
my understanding as well, that it was one of those Vatican thingies,
designation of "Basilicas."
Colmán's source would seem to settle the question, at least post 1966.
christopher
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