Nothing left to interpret, Dave, now that you've admitted it was
news-writing you meant--apart from "pork pies," that is, which means???
As for the "no personal abuse" rule, fortunately I'm no longer responsible
for making or enforcing any Poetryetc rules (yippee!), but I will say (since
_you_ raised the issue of "justice") that Erminia was provoked by the Nazi
travesty you made of her poem, remember, an abuse of person and poetry
(IMHO) that she did nothing to provoke from you, as far as I know. But
then, it's hard to imagine a defensible provocation for that, and I find
your attempt to deflect attention from your words to hers lame, to say the
least. Maybe you should drop this now before the substance in which you're
already up to your neck rises to drowning-pool level.
Candice
on 1/6/02 3:12 PM, david.bircumshaw at [log in to unmask] wrote:
> Flippin 'ell, Candice. Below is my original post, interpret it at will. As
> for my _admonishing_ Erminia, are we talking about the same person here? The
> same Erminia who has been happily insulting me all day on this list
> (remember the 'no personal abuse' rule?) I'm amazed, I really am. Not angry,
> but, to use that vulgarism, 'gob-smacked'.
>
> Obviously the fact that she's been merrily comparing me and my writing to a
> pile of shit, telling me I have no business speaking on any lists etc is
> entirely my fault and yet another example of my terrible behaviour.
>
> Aston Villa have just gone 2 up in as many minutes against Man Utd in the FA
> Cup. There is some justice in the world.
>
> Best
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>> You might find Hans Magnus Enzenberger's comments on Stern in his
>> book of essays _Mediocrities and Delusions_ interesting (apart from
>> anything else, he's always a pleasure to read). He makes the same
>> comment about media proprietors being more savvy about media theory
>> than the students protesting against it.
>>
>
> Thanks for reminding me about that, Alison, I still recall coming across
> HME's book one day in Leicester Library, I read it standing up without
> taking it out on loan, and, Chris, I've no doubt about the accuracy of your
> observations about L.Murdoch. I think, or rather suspect, that one of the
> pifalls that language-centred persons, as poets tend to be, is that we
> instinctively feel that those who use language like a soggy pork pie, circa
> British Rail 1946 not sold until 199-something, after travelling the lengths
> and breadths (notice those clever 's's, to avoid the cliché) must therefore
> be our intellectual inferiors.
> But of course they're not. They are 'savvy' people. They just don't share
> our values.
>
> Nor their private pork pies, which are much fresher!
>
> (NB 'pork pies' means ....)
>
> Best
>
> Dave
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