Assume God is an invention of Man.
God, in a commonly held definition (e.g., Spinoza, 20th C theologies) is all
things, forces, etc.
Therefore Man invented all things (first sense of 'invented'--'imagined' or
'perceived').
In another sense of 'invented,' (as in 'created') all things seem to have
produced man at a precise temporal and spatial intersection of all things,
so man IS an invention of God.
But then God is an invention (second sense) of God and Man is an invention
(first sense) of Man.
So
a. Man is an invention(2) of God.
b. God is an invention(1) of Man.
c. Man is an invention(1) of Man.
d. God is an invention(2) of God.
Given (a and d) that Man and God are both creations of God, since something
cannot create itself, either God did not create himself (and therefore God
is not God) or God does not exist. Therefore God does not exist. But he
does, at least in the sense of him being imagined.
So, given b and c, since God and Man are both perceptions of Man, Man is
really nothing but a perception. Because is a Man was more than a
perception, he would have to have invented himself, and it seems a
contradictory state of affairs that a perception perceives another
perception (this is where Hume admitted defeat with his "Bundle Theory").
Therefore Man does not exist.
So God and Man both do not exist, but it seems only when we start to talk
about man, God, invention, creation, and perception.
A finger trap. It's a lucrative one. So I suggest we here in America TAX
THE CHURCHES!
Therefore talking about the relationships between God, Man, and invention is
a circular issue. Origins versus perceptions of origins and other
artificial distinctions whirl us around into separate camps and have us
hurling stones at one another.
Best,
Patrick
| You are both wrong *grin*
|
| God is an invention of man and most of the world's current
| difficulties arise from people arguing about whose got the
| best invisible friend.
|
| I vote let's get rid of the God myth and start taking
| responsibility for our own actions.
|
|
| Josie
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| PS Alison, I like that idea of the God in the novel being
| the AUthor. Do you, as the Author?God get to enter into any
| discourse with your 'people'?
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|
| Erminia Passannanti wrote:
| >
| > >At 11:49 AM -0700 5/5/02, passermin wrote:
| > >>>>>How do you revitalize the Author's role and figure,
| > >>>>>>after so many year of decomposition?
| >
| > On Mon, 6 May 2002 09:12:24 +1000, Alison Croggon <[log in to unmask]>
| > wrote
| >
| > >Erminia, if we really were in a Godless era, the world would be a
| > >very different place. God is all over the place, and the
| > >disturbances caused by God's alleged absence don't seem to have been
| > >dealt with any better than since they were outlined by Nietzsche and
| > >others. I keep having the persistent hallucination that we are
| > >still, all superficialities aside, very much in the 19C. That aside,
| > >in my novel _I_, the Author, am God.
| > >
| > >Me, megalomaniac? Phsaw.
| > >
| > >Best
| > >
| > >A
| >
| > Alison,
| >
| > you are right, in a way, but, may I suggest that your perspective
vehicles
| > a strong religious outlook on the world, in that, whether or not God is
| > existent or interested in the World, we (men and women), behave well or
| > bad but accordingly (yet, being God, in your novel, this is
| > comprehensible ).
| >
| > And indeed, in a world where God has metaphorically died, there is
still
| > lots of religiosity going on. Mostly because when someone dies and is
| > being missed, that is the very moment in which he becomes even more
| > mythical of the times when he was present, encumbering.
| >
| > God is the World, and therefore he experiences a compresence with
itself.
| > We will never be able to make two separate creatures out of this
horrible
| > two headed monster (material and ethereal nature of the World).
| >
| > This if God is in the World because he is itself the World, and this if
| > God dwells in itself, whether alive or dead, being itself.
| >
| > God is dead because he committed suicide: he was too horrified about his
| > errors, too guilty.
| > erminia
| >
| > >--
| > >
| > >"The only real revolt is the revolt against war."
| > > Albert Camus
| > >
| > >Alison Croggon
| > >Home page
| > >http://www.users.bigpond.com/acroggon/
| > >
| > >Masthead Online
| > >http://au.geocities.com/masthead_2/
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