From: Osher Doctorow [log in to unmask], Thurs. Nov. 1, 2001 1:27PM
I agree with Dr. Roy Poses, M.D. I answered Chomsky, who was posted to EBH
by somebody, and then I did not continue debating since other members and
the list manager preferred that the debate not continue. The pro-Chomsky
members presumably felt that my reply was better than Chomsky's, since they
kept replying (none of them so far seems to write even as coherently as
Chomsky, whose post was not that coherent to begin with (there is nothing in
academia that specifically requires coherence except the social meaning of
*cohere as a group*). I urge the other members to meet me on some other
email mailing list of their choosing of jiscmail type and leave EBH for its
intended purpose. I will even tie one hand behind my back when responding
to them to give them a head start, since I grew up on the typewriter and I
can recognize lack of talent in typing/writing quite readily.
Osher Doctorow Ph.D.
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From: "Roy Poses" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: FW: Chomsky on The New War Against Terror (fwd) (fwd)
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> Roy M. Poses MD
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> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Mark Newman wrote:
> I guess it will be up to the members of the list to decide what is
> relevant or not - so i am going to speak up for the opposite view to
> Roy -
>
> I think its valuable that list members put things on the list that
> affect us all as human beings - Seems to me that democracy is
> an important pre-requisite for EBHC - and the chomsky article
> pointed out quite clearly just how the main protatgonists in the war
> (USA) has gone about systematically subverting it around the
> world. Its is doing the same thing on the the home front (USA) (UK
> is doing it too) - There are numerous reports of pressure being put
> on the US media to stay 'on side' by the US govt and I yesterday
> received a petition calling the on the US govt to stop threatening
> action against US academic institutions whose academics speak
> out against american foreign policy.
>
> I accept thought that list is not perhaps the right place to put the
> whole chomsky speech. - but I think pointers of where to find such
> information are relevant.
>
> An here is one for anyone in the UK who wants to find out more
> about activities to stop the war
>
> http://www.stopwar.org.uk/
>
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>
> I was hoping that this discussion of politics would not continue on the
EBH
> list. However, the supporters of Chomsky persist. With regret, I fear
> that I must reply, lest their veiws go unopposed, and therefore appear
> true.
>
> There may well be important relationships between free speech and EBH.
> However, neither the post above nor the other posts about Chomsky
> demonstrated what Chomsky's writings have to do with EBH.
>
> Christopher Hitchens has offered a series of ripostes to Chomsky that are
> worth reading:
> http://www.thenation.com/special/20010911debate.mhtml
>
> Hitchens is on the left, and is not gentle with Chomsky. Those on the
right,
> of course, are much less gentle than Hitchens. See, for example:
> http://www.FrontPageMagazine.com/guestcolumnists/cohnpamph09-11-01.htm
> http://www.frontpagemag.com/columnists/horowitz/2001/dh09-26-01.htm
> http://frontpagemag.com/columnists/horowitz/2001/dh10-10-01.htm
>
> Furthermore, there have been more attempts to stifle people who support
the
> current US administration's war on terrorism on US campuses than those who
> oppose the war. Furthermore, most attacks on free speech on campus and on
> academic freedom in the US in the last 10 years have come from the hard
> academic left, not the right:
> http://chronicle.com/free/v48/i09/09b02401.htm
> http://www.thefire.org/issues/terror.php3
>
> I hope this is the end of this discussion on the EBH list, but I suspect
it
> won't be.
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