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Dear John Mundy,
Yes, in fact mostly princes and kings. Although, it seems we are dredging
up some evidence for women (albeit better known women).
I am curious as to what you mean by "personalized religion", in how it
relates to the early Danish saints being royal rather than "normal"?
As I've done research on the conversion up here in the north, I've noticed
that women play a significant role in the development of religious customs,
etc - and there were no more men than women in the early stages of
Christianization! I do not believe, personally, that the converts were all
for political reasons - especially through my work on Sweden. However, I
might concede that it appears (in Denmark at least) that early saints' cults
seem to be based on politics.
Sara Ellis
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>Subject: Re: [M-R] Medieval "Danish" saints (and female saints more
> generally).
>Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:24:27 -0400
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>Dear S.E. Ellis: I know nothing about the subject, but, anent Danish
>saints,
>were not, in the early years, the male ones largely princes? If so, will
>not
>women be rarer until the penetration of the north by that personalized
>religion that begins somewhat earlier down south? John MUndy
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>Subject: Re: [M-R] Medieval "Danish" saints (and female saints more
>generally).
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> > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
>culture
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> > Yes, it is an intriguing point. Especially, for myself and my work,
>since
> > 'just next door' there were many (comparatively!) Swedish female saints
>at
> > the time. I remember a point made by Bridget Morris, that in the 14thC,
>St
> > Birgitta of Sweden was the only female saint to be canonized (period).
> > Clearly, there must have been a preference for the canonization of more
> > public figures, mostly male, during that time.
> >
> > Now, for the case of Wales, could this be a matter of 'missing'
>information?
> > Lack of written word, etc? Or lack of contact with Rome?
> >
> > Yours,
> > Sara
> >
> > >From: Madeleine Gray <[log in to unmask]>
> > >Reply-To: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
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> > >Subject: Re: [M-R] Medieval "Danish" saints (and female saints more
> > > generally).
> > >Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:29:39 +0100
> > >
> > >medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
>culture
> > >
> > >Erik's is an intriguing point. But there must be other countries with
>no
> > >female canonisations between C12 and the Reformation. There are
>certainly
> > >none in Wales - and no male Welsh saints either that I can think of.
>Which
> > >is a bit surprising considering how many 1st millennium saints we have.
> > >
> > >Nor does there seem to be much evidence in Wales for cults of 2nd
>millenium
> > >saints. The one exception is Birgitta - but she gets merged in the
>Welsh
> > >tradition with St Bride/Brigid, herself a composite saint of
>Welsh/Irish
> > >extraction.
> > >
> > >Maddy
> > >
> > >
> > >Dr Madeleine Gray, in the foothills of God's golden county of Gwent
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