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Subject:

textual transmission (was: A Different Thomas Aquinas)

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"George FERZOCO" <[log in to unmask]>

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Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:33:00 +0100 (BST)

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Dear list members, in the greatest haste (while I'm marking several hundred 
final examinations and essays)...

Luciana raises what is perhaps the central issue facing all scholars who 
work on texts: the determination of what people actually said or intended, 
and how this was transmitted in written form. It is difficult to imagine 
how people in the middle ages could do so 'accurately': indeed, the best 
intentions of experienced note-takers present at the lectures, quodlibets 
and sermons of the greatest figures of the Middle Ages did not prevent 
gargantuan errors of a near-endless variety and quantity. Should we chastise 
these creators of medieval and Renaissance reportationes? Should we curse 
them? Or should we be grateful for their humble efforts, and in studying 
them, keep in mind their faults, deal with them, and move forward? I lean 
to the latter, and I think this is the path I would advise to fellow 
students.

Dare I say it, but Leonard Boyle may have felt the same way at some point 
in his career or other. I could very well be wrong (and please correct me, 
briefly and politely!), but in the shadows of my mind I remember an article 
by Boyle which cut severely into the recently published *Montaillou*; and 
I seem to recall that his criticisms were based on the English translation 
of the book, instead of the French original. (And if Boyle didn't do it, 
then someone else did; and if it wasn't *Montaillou*, it was another similar 
book; it really doesn't matter -- omnia palea est and all that.) In short, 
impressions of a text vary: we can read a text for WHAT IT SAYS, for WHAT 
WE THINK IT SHOULD SAY, for WHAT THE PERSON WOULD HAVE SAID HAD S/HE BEEN 
SOBER/THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND/ETC ETC ad infinitum (instead of drunk/a nobody/etc 
etc etc). And then, we can transmit our impressions of that text in any 
variety of ways as well.

Just look at the very source Luciana kindly indicated, where one finds links 
to the audio version(s) of the lecture:

http://www.op.org/DomCentral/trad/boyle3mill.htm

There, we have the smiling face of Boyle; we have links to not one but two 
audio versions of the speech; we also have a transcription of the speech. 
Interestingly, the transcription is NOT an accurate one. Luciana's is more 
accurate: but instead of having Boyle say (about his voice) 'When I brushed 
my teeth upstairs at 7 o'clock, I lost my voice. It went down the...', the 
transcription on the web page reads (and I reproduce the relevant section 
in its entirety):

****
[Replying to the introduction of Sr. Joan Franks, O.P.] Thank you very much 
Joan, I hope I haven't lost my voice. When I brushed my teeth upstairs at 7 
o'clock, I lost my voice! Thank you very much Joan, for this introduction, 
which wasn't as embarassing [SIC] as I thought it might be.
****

As I believe Luciana mentions, there is no indication as to where the voice 
went down to (or what it went down in)!

I would encourage anyone who is interested, to prepare and publish a 
comparison of what is actually heard on the audio version(s) with what's 
printed on the web page, then with what's in the French-language version 
(in a book which, whatever weaknesses it may contain, is of tremendous use, 
as Luciana states; I think we should all be deeply grateful to Jacqueline 
Hamesse for her Herculean efforts in getting this into print), then with 
the notes that someone in the audience that day in 1999 may have taken, 
then with the English text Boyle would have been reading from, then with 
the English text that may some day be published by PIMS or whatever, etc 
etc.; and after such a comparison, provide explanations for the differences; 
and THEN, reflect on how things may not have changed so much since the Middle 
Ages when it comes to knowing precisely what was said, by whom, how it was 
heard or read or understood, and (a minor point?) why.

Thanks for raising this issue, Luciana. I do hope that if there is any 
follow-up to this discussion on the list, that it steer away from undue 
criticisms of colleagues, and that courtesy among ourselves may prevail.

Explicit!

Best wishes,
George
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