--- Christopher Crockett <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Dear Carlos,
>
> not my field (by now i have *no* idea *what* my field might be), but
> it seems
> to me that, outside of Genesis scenes, depictions of the Father are
> rather
> rare in the West before the Late Middle Ages.
>
> in any event, in the two Dormition scenes i know best it is clearly
> the Son
> who is primarily involved, assuming that a cruciform halo can be used
> as
> evidence of such an identification:
>
> at the magnificent little portal at SENLIS (c. 1170??), on the left
> lintel,
> angels carry the soul upwards, towards the tympanum,
>
> http://centrechartraine.freeservers.com/senlis/senlpll1.jpg
>
> wherein the Virgin is seated next to Her Son (with an arguably
> ambiguous
> halo):
>
> http://centrechartraine.freeservers.com/senlis/Senlwtd1.jpg
>
> (Her entombment by the most dynamic angels in Western art is on the
> right
> lintel:
> http://centrechartraine.freeservers.com/senlis/senlprl.jpg ) ;
>
>
> at MANTES (c. 1180??), He stands, passing the little soul on to an
> angel:
>
> http://centrechartraine.freeservers.com/senlis/mantlint.jpg ,
>
> and, again, there is a coronation by the Son in the tympanum above:
>
> http://centrechartraine.freeservers.com/senlis/mantt_l.jpg
>
> (*something* was clearly sculpted in the peak of the arch of the
> tympanum, and my over-heated imagination could easily make out the
> traces of a
> nimbus above, clouds below --so, Father??)
>
> especially curious is what could have been *between* the two major
> figures,
> which seems to have attracted the very special ire of the
> iconoclasts.
> ideas?
>
> both these portals --undoubtedly the work of closely related
> workshops of the
> rather new "Early Gothic" stylistic sequence-- appear to have been
> heavily
> influenced by Byzantine iconography (and style), so very close
> parallels there
> can surely be found by those that know of such.
>
> best from here,
>
> christopher
>
>
> p.s. Please let me know if these images don't load--i've been having
> a *lot*
> of trouble with this site lately.
>
> one reason why i'm presently working with someone who has a web
> design
> business and who is also an "independant scholar" (art history) who's
> expressed an interest in using her site & server to host
> webpages/sites for
> those of us medievalistes detachés (or even those wretched tenureless
> toilers
> in the Towers of Academe who find themselves, at the whim of
> bean-counting
> Adminstrators, unwillingly made peripetic from time to
> time) who might like to group together in a cooperative fashion and
> set
> up some kind of add-free, inexpensive, semi-permanent
> interdisciplinary
> medieval site.
>
> i'd be happy to respond to queries about this off list (we're not
> ready for
> Prime Time), should this strike a sympathetic cord with anyone here.
>
> c
>
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> "Carlos Sastre" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >Jim Buslag's original question give me the excuse for asking if some
> of you
> knows of any text stating that the Trinity (and not just Jesus) took
> part in
> the Koimesis. I know of a couple of examples -a miniature and a
> panel- where
> it is the Father who descends to hold Mary's soul. And (as far as I
> know an
> "unicum") another one with the Trinity.
>
>
>
>
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