In a message dated 01/24/2000 7:30:28 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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<< the reason for the question is that the punctuation determines
whether the prayer is millenarian or not. if it's full stop, then the
kingdom
to come can be "within", or on a celestial plane that does not entail the
transformation of this world. if it is "thy kingdom come... one earth as it
is
in heaven," then, as most scholars with a sense of history would argue, jesus
and john the baptizer were both millenarians, something that all jews of that
time (certainly from the pharisees on out to the zealots and qumran types)
were, but something that later church fathers, from the alogi of the later
2nd
century thru eusebius, jerome and augustine would have found abhorrent. the
remarkable thing is that modern scholarship continues to side with the later
church fathers in their reading and appraisal of the early texts.
>>
Actually, "... thy kingdom come ..." is just the first part of request; "...
thy will be done ..." is the second part. And all that is followed by the
condition: "... on earth as it is in heaven." Breaking the three parts up
makes no sense.
I agree with you, however, that there is an apocalyptic element to Jesus that
has been suppressed, but I would argue that the process started much earlier,
namely with the first generation after Jesus.
mark
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