My comments below.

--- john foster <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> >"Whereas the Unabomber is carrying out a soceital crime by delivering
> his
> >own death sentences, his targets are involved in a crime as well, but
> one
> >which society has formed an improper concept about."
> 
> Judge & Jury Steve Verdon aghast:
> >Now you are sounding like an apologist for the Unabomber.  Are you sure
> >you want to keep going in this direction? 
> 
> So are you asking me if  executions are acceptable? I told you that I am
> against the death penalty.
> 
> I knew that you would point the evil finger again. West is correct. So

No John I asked you a question.  Don't you see the question mark...you
know the thingie that looks like this ?...hmmm?  (By the way...that was a
question too.)

Also, after reading your posts for a while now I am not aghast, just
disappointed that you APPEAR to be TRYING to rationalize what the
Unabomber did, you SEEM to be TRYING to vilify the victims.  That is MY
IMPRESSION of what you wrote.  I ask again, is this the direction you want
this to be going in?


> you
> think that what corporations, or man  does is always divine? Did I say

Nope, never have I said this.  If you can find something that I have
written that will support this claim, I'd appreciate you finding it.


> that
> the Unabombers' sentences of death fit the crime? You take the booby
> prize,
> Dear Sir, for making inferences. How do you in your convoluted thinking

Why John, I am just emulating your own rhetorical technique here.  You
have done the same with Jim, me and now Alton Chase...heck he cannot even
respond to your attacks here.


> jump to this perception that I sympathize?  Is destruction of the
> habitat
> and water a good thing? Is killing a human being a good thing? When did
> I
> say that it was? Our use of logic is private, and secular to your own
> interests.

I never said you claimed it was a good thing.  However you did say that
the victims were also guilty of the crime for which the Unabomber was
punishing them.  Your only objection SEEMS to be that he was punishing
them too harshly.  Also, I repeat I was asking if that was indeed how you
wanted that to sound.



> Everyone around here says it is criminal what is being done to forests,
> salmon habitat, rainforests in the tropics, the fish in the oceans,
> whales,
> gorrillas, indigenous cultures and you think that this is not criminal?
> You
> don't agree. You are enured to destruction. There are few or no laws

I don't think it is necessarily criminal, bad yes.  Further I think it is
really bad when done to excess.  


[snip]

> The best thing is to institute sound
> practices of
> resource management prior to permitting resource exploitation. That is

Oh and exactly where have I said anything that contradicts this?


> to
> prevent the harm in the first place. The most important thing is to

The Hypocratic Oath is more figurative than anything.  A surgeon will
often have to cut open his patient which is harming them.  Every type of
surgery carries with it the risk of death.  I think a better oath would be
to do nothing that puts the patient at risk needlessly.  Similarly for the
envrironment and resources.  Humans are going to almost always have a
negative impact, to reduce that impact to zero is, imo, imosspible.


> evaluate
> all 'environmental values' and then to evaluate 'environmental codes of
> ethics' and so on to prevent environmental crimes. 
> 
> I guess we should turn the discussion to corporate crimes of the last
> century. But where to start: Times Beach, Karen Silkwood, Black Lung in
> as
> many as 250 thousand coal miners, tampering of coal mine  air quality
> samplers, etc. I am against the death sentence as you already know. It
> is
> only in the US that it is permitted here in North America. Most Nearly
> all
> European countries have stopped executions. Most nations in the world
> stopped executions. So do you agree that state executions are okay?

State executions are not the topic of this discussion John, stop trying to
shift the focus.

Steve
(CAPS for emphasis)


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"In a nutshell, he [Steve] is 100% unadulterated evil. I do not believe in a 
'Satan', but this man is as close to 'the real McCoy' as they come." 
--Jamey Lee West

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