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o.k., since you Guys know the names of everything, what is it that the angel
on the left is holding:
http://www.orthodoxy-icons.com/uploads/posts/2011-04/1304066217_city-nonresonant0009.jpg
not a flabellum --some kind of rod with a round object on the end of it.
and, just to put a fine edge on your nomenclaturatorial blades, how about
these two ladies on their way to the Nativity
http://www.orthodoxy-icons.com/uploads/posts/2011-04/1304066209_city-nonresonant0020.jpg
the spherical something on the right almost looks like some sort of
metastasized censor (an essential tool at any Nativity, i suppose), but what's
the Deal with that scroll holder thingie the girl on the left is holding
(along with some a staff?).
and i've always loved that left shoulder on the figure on the right, almost as
much as the loverly-coiffed lower doo on this Old Greybeard
http://www.orthodoxy-icons.com/uploads/posts/2011-04/1304066263_city-nonresonant0057.jpg.
c
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Received: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 12:00:59 PM EST
From: Christopher Crockett <[log in to unmask]>
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Subject: Re: [M-R] Feasts and Saints of the Day: November 17
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
>
> yes, of course.
>
> the "Communion of the Apostles"
>
> i knew it would have a Spiffy Name.
>
> still, i can't recall an example of it in the West (certainly not pre- 1200
> --Nerezi is 1160s-- but i presume that the iconography would have traveled
> west after 1204, at least).
>
> Peter on the extreme left, for sure
>
>
http://www.orthodoxy-icons.com/uploads/posts/2011-04/1304066217_city-nonresonant0009.jpg
>
> i just took a quick glance (the Bain of would-be Iconographers) and didn't
see
> the beard on the other fellow with him, assumed it was Paul, not having
seen
> the fellows to the right of the baldichin.
>
> Andrew, eh?
>
> why not?
>
> i'm not all that Up to Snuff on Andy's appearance, myself.
>
> the flabellum, i'm familiar with, and that's part of what gave it away, for
> me.
>
> c
>
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> Received: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 11:46:23 AM EST
> From: John Dillon <[log in to unmask]>
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> Subject: Re: [M-R] Feasts and Saints of the Day: November 17
>
> > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
> >
> > On 11/21/11, Christopher Crockett wrote:
> >
> > > this scene
> > >
> > >
>
http://www.orthodoxy-icons.com/uploads/posts/2011-04/1304066217_city-nonresonant0009.jpg
> > >
> > > is unknown to me.
> > >
> > > does anyone wish to venture a guess?
> >
> > It's part of a representation of the Communion of the Apostles. See
this
> analogue showing the other side of the table:
> > http://tinyurl.com/6qafmyg
> >
> > > the next one
> > >
> > >
>
http://www.orthodoxy-icons.com/uploads/posts/2011-04/1304066191_city-nonresonant0010.jpg
> > >
> > > seems to represent angels shooing the flies off of the consecrated Host
> (bread
> > > & wine) --which suggests that the one to the left is Christ presenting
> the
> > > consecrated Host to Peter (left) & Paul?
> >
> > Peter and (perh.) Andrew. Paul's on the other side.
> > Otherwise you're spot on. The angels serve as deacons; the implement
each
> is holding is a rhipidion. The Latin equivalent for that is _flabellum_
and
> the purpose is the same in each instance: shooing flies and other small
> insects. For some greater detail, see Linda Safran here (in Google
Books):
> > http://tinyurl.com/845pmp7
> >
> > Best,
> > John Dillon
> >
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