At 03:08 PM 10/10/99 -0400, you wrote:
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [log in to unmask]
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Richard
>> Landes
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 10:55 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: RE: history and apocalyptic prophecy - was Book of Revelation
>> topics
>> Arquillere wrote a book called "augustinisme politique" about people who
>> misread augustine to argue that the church, or the xn empire
>> *was* the city of
>> god. marrou and mommsen both wrote pieces on orosius'
>> misunderstandings which
>> one might call augustinisme historiographique, and i've argued that in the
>> carolingian period, eschatology is dominated by a school i call
>> augustinisme
>> chronologique (ie they take the mnl kingdom which exists
>> invisibly in the city
>> of god to be coming to an end in the year 1000 or 1033, a
>> position augustine
>> explicitly denounced).
>>
>> rlandes
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>While not, strictly speaking, relevant to the issue of Augustine qua
>Augustine,
but obviously immensely impt for augustine qua historical effect of...
>any discussion of Carolingian political theology/philosophy needs
>to range far beyond Arquillere.
beyond seems to be an unnecessary dismissal. if you want to add to his points,
fine, but the basic idea that the city of god was possible in the imperium
christianum is a) a fundamental misreading of augustine, and b) a great
temptation of carolingian and other imperial thinking in the MA.
>I find the above far too neatly schematic to
>be convincing.
neat way to dismiss what is neither neatly schematic (unless you want to make
it so for purposes of dismissal) nor irrelevant. if you want to nuance the
points fine, but "too neat to be convincing"... that's the language of
premature closure.
richard
>Mike
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