JiscMail Logo
Email discussion lists for the UK Education and Research communities

Help for FILM-PHILOSOPHY Archives


FILM-PHILOSOPHY Archives

FILM-PHILOSOPHY Archives


FILM-PHILOSOPHY@JISCMAIL.AC.UK


View:

Message:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

By Topic:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

By Author:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

Font:

Proportional Font

LISTSERV Archives

LISTSERV Archives

FILM-PHILOSOPHY Home

FILM-PHILOSOPHY Home

FILM-PHILOSOPHY  1999

FILM-PHILOSOPHY 1999

Options

Subscribe or Unsubscribe

Subscribe or Unsubscribe

Log In

Log In

Get Password

Get Password

Subject:

Re: invisible edits

From:

Ludvig Hertzberg <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

[log in to unmask]

Date:

Sat, 01 May 1999 12:35:06 +0200

Content-Type:

text/plain

Parts/Attachments:

Parts/Attachments

text/plain (77 lines)

On the subject of Hollywood vs the Good World, consider these remarks by Stanley
Cavell

"Everything I wrote in *The World Viewed* about Hollywood films is perfectly
compatible with a claim that most of them are childish or worthless. (Though I am
still willing to bet that this is true of no greater a proportion of them than of,
say, French or Russian films, a part of whose prestige comes from our knowing so
few of them, I assume the best.) My problem was rather to understand, if the
accidents and stringencies of Hollywood production were the wholly baneful things
that devotees of non-Hollywood films suggest, how so many of them could have been
so good. (I am not prepared to argue with someone who is prepared to say that all
are worthless.) People sometimes say, when their experience of some of these films
cannot be denied, that they are good in spite of Hollywood's bosses and agents.
But what reason is there to believe this? Does it make any sense at all to think
of figures like John Ford or Howard Hawks or Frank Capra or Preston Sturges as
*limited* by Hollywood? (Perhaps others could have made better Hollywood movies.
No; theirs are perfect of their kind. Then other people could have made better
movies of different kinds and were kept out by Hollywood commercialism. I do not
doubt it, but this is not a problem peculiar to America and its Hollywood.) [ - -
- ] Of course it is arguable that the genres and conventions of Hollywood films
are themselves the essential limitation. But to argue that, you have to show
either that there are no comparable limitations in other traditions or else that
their limitations (say a Russian tendency toward the monumental and operatic, or a
French tendency toward the private and provincial, or a German tendency toward the
theatrical and claustrophobic) are less limiting. Hollywood films are not
everything; neither is American fiction at its greatest. But it is not clear to me
that American films occupy a less honorable place among the films of the world
than American fiction does in world literature."
(*The World Viewed* (enl.ed, 1979) p. 173-4.)

Note that Cavell's point is not a relativistic one, but simply a reminder not to
fall for a temptation, viz., to unabashedly *idealize* the film production of rest
of the world in contrast to the Holywood system.

It seems to be the fashion of the century to categorize films, genres, conventions
as either reactionary or progressive, according to whatever theory you subscribe
to. Such undertakings, it seems to me, must always be speculative (although seldom
useless, many interesting things may be said along the way - I'm thinking for
instance of Slavoj Zizek). Some people will respond to any given film by
perceiving it as reactionary, others will respond to them the opposite way, and
both perceptions may be defended by your rationaliziations of choice. In the final
analysis, we are not (could not be) able to measure whether this or that film or
system actually helps create a healthier society with happier citizens or not.

My guess is that the grounds for bashing Hollywood films might be aesthetic rather
than ideological. We (as 'cineasts') have fallen in love with certain kinds of
film, because they are important to us, as art - as they are rewarding 'on more
than an immediate level of entertainment', as they awaken our senses and stimulate
renewed perceptions of the world. (Think of how a good comic can make us realize
the humor inherent in many of our predicaments, etc. (Good) art is in this way
always 'personally progressive'.) Obviously, nobody to whom film has this
significance wants a system like Hollywood's, which has such a low priority for
these values. Luckily enough, however, no frames or strict conventions, however
commercially or otherwise philistinistically (?) motivated, can stifle a creative
mind, there's always room to express yourself (think e.g. of the 'Hollywood
mavericks'), and, as Cavell notes, there is always a set of 'restrictions' in and
by which artists work. There can be art in Hollywood films, there often is, but it
may take an effort, an opening of eyes, to find it. And besides, the best
intentions do not guarantee successful results - and a film may be unintentionally
profound.

(This account might explain why ideological criticism in film studies so often is
at pains to show why one form of film is favorable to another, rather than argue
along Marshall McLuhan's lines, according to which the medium is what is socially
threatening, 'is the message', which I think would at least be worth considering
in that context.)

or?

best,
Ludvig Hertzberg
        - Dept of Cinema Studies - Stockholm University, Sweden -



%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

Top of Message | Previous Page | Permalink

JiscMail Tools


RSS Feeds and Sharing


Advanced Options


Archives

May 2024
April 2024
March 2024
February 2024
January 2024
December 2023
November 2023
October 2023
September 2023
August 2023
July 2023
June 2023
May 2023
April 2023
March 2023
February 2023
January 2023
December 2022
November 2022
October 2022
September 2022
August 2022
July 2022
June 2022
May 2022
April 2022
March 2022
February 2022
January 2022
December 2021
November 2021
October 2021
September 2021
August 2021
July 2021
June 2021
May 2021
April 2021
March 2021
February 2021
January 2021
December 2020
November 2020
October 2020
September 2020
August 2020
July 2020
June 2020
May 2020
April 2020
March 2020
February 2020
January 2020
December 2019
November 2019
October 2019
September 2019
August 2019
July 2019
June 2019
May 2019
April 2019
March 2019
February 2019
January 2019
December 2018
November 2018
October 2018
September 2018
August 2018
July 2018
June 2018
May 2018
April 2018
March 2018
February 2018
January 2018
December 2017
November 2017
October 2017
September 2017
August 2017
July 2017
June 2017
May 2017
April 2017
March 2017
February 2017
January 2017
December 2016
November 2016
October 2016
September 2016
August 2016
July 2016
June 2016
May 2016
April 2016
March 2016
February 2016
January 2016
December 2015
November 2015
October 2015
September 2015
August 2015
July 2015
June 2015
May 2015
April 2015
March 2015
February 2015
January 2015
December 2014
November 2014
October 2014
September 2014
August 2014
July 2014
June 2014
May 2014
April 2014
March 2014
February 2014
January 2014
December 2013
November 2013
October 2013
September 2013
August 2013
July 2013
June 2013
May 2013
April 2013
March 2013
February 2013
January 2013
December 2012
November 2012
October 2012
September 2012
August 2012
July 2012
June 2012
May 2012
April 2012
March 2012
February 2012
January 2012
December 2011
November 2011
October 2011
September 2011
August 2011
July 2011
June 2011
May 2011
April 2011
March 2011
February 2011
January 2011
December 2010
November 2010
October 2010
September 2010
August 2010
July 2010
June 2010
May 2010
April 2010
March 2010
February 2010
January 2010
December 2009
November 2009
October 2009
September 2009
August 2009
July 2009
June 2009
May 2009
April 2009
March 2009
February 2009
January 2009
December 2008
November 2008
October 2008
September 2008
August 2008
July 2008
June 2008
May 2008
April 2008
March 2008
February 2008
January 2008
December 2007
November 2007
October 2007
September 2007
August 2007
July 2007
June 2007
May 2007
April 2007
March 2007
February 2007
January 2007
2006
2005
2004
2003
2002
2001
2000
1999
1998


JiscMail is a Jisc service.

View our service policies at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/policyandsecurity/ and Jisc's privacy policy at https://www.jisc.ac.uk/website/privacy-notice

For help and support help@jisc.ac.uk

Secured by F-Secure Anti-Virus CataList Email List Search Powered by the LISTSERV Email List Manager