>On 29 Nov 1998 Anselm Cramer, OSB <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>Respondeo dicendum - This prayer is simply an English version of what
was
>used in the ordinary moanstic office before the reforms of recent
years. In
>principle, a prayer ('collect') is an ending or completion of
something, but
>the something can be as limited as an opening rite: which is the
function of
>the prayer/collect at the end of the opening rite of Mass, and the
>Invitatory is perceived as the opening rite of the Vigil (matins in
monastic
>parlance). In the old breviary we also had a hymn at this point, as
does the
>modern Roman Breviary.
>
>I am told that the modern roman breviary (the Liturgy of the Hours) in
its
>American edition has a psalm prayer for every psalm, which is optional.
What
>the practice is I know not.
Where one finds any practice at all here (_rara avis_, indeed), it is to
pause after the Gloria, psalm prayer read by the presider, then repeat
the antiphon without further pause. [This was not the position proposed
by Canon (A.G.) Martimort et socii ejus. They argued for it following
the antiphon.] Taft in his survey and bibliography cites several
examples of such collects and argues strongly for their use. I would be
curious about where exactly the collects are located in the text of the
psalter that gave birth to this thread.
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