Thanks for reminding me of this. I do remember Augustine dealing with the
idea of a "hidden"/"known" Church. But I can't recall much mention of this
later on in the MA. Otfried Lieberknecht suggested Walter Simonis
_Ecclesia visibilis et invisibilis_ (Frankfurt, 1970) which I think this
deals the early church and Augustine.
Thanks for your help
R.J.S.
>I'm not sure about how the 16th-C. reformers used these terms, but isn't
>this simply a variation on what Augustine argued in the City of God? For
>example, in Bk. 1, Cap. 35: " . . . while the City of God is on pilgrimage
>in this world, she has in her midst some who are united with her in
>participation in the sacraments, but who will not join with her in the
>eternal destiny of the saints. Some of these are hidden; some are well
>known, for they do not hesitate to murmur against God, whose sacramental
>sign they bear . . ." (David Knowles' translation). Here we have a
>"visible" Church which includes some people who do not really belong to the
>"invisible" City of God.
>
>Megan McLaughlin, History Dept., Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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>Tel: 217-244-2084 Fax: 217-333-2297
>
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