This thread is indeed very valuable, Don.
I just want to add that the move from "design for" to "design with" is also
connected with social movements that demand more participation in civil
life, government, and the production of goods and services. These movements
have also influenced design indirectly through other professions that are
better connected to them.
The Evolution of Participatory Practices timeline project, created by the
UC Davis Center for Design in the Public Interest, traces back "design
with" to the Civil Rights movement of the 1960s. This poster with the main
authors and paradigmatic projects is very useful to understand the cross
pollination across fields:
http://dipi.design/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/DiPi-UCDavis_ParticipatoryPractices_poster.pdf
More about this mapping project:
http://dipi.design/interactive-timeline-project/
Besides Civil Rights, I can see "design with" connected to Consumer Rights,
Black movement, Latin American Peasant movement, Third Worldism,
Environmentalism, Feminism, LGBTQIA+ rights movement, and many others that
pushes democracy further.
These movements can also push us to go beyond "design with" and recognize
"design by", or the design people are already doing to make the world work
for them. Instead of inviting these people to "design with" us, we may
prefer to join them to "design with" them. "Design by" overcomes
the opposition between "design with" and "design for" because there is no
separation in the political agendas. This would lead us to realize that the
most democratic design out there is the "design by the people, for the
people". Nevertheless, that would require us, designers, to position
ourselves as part of the people, of the community, the city, the nation,
etc.
Cheers,
.
.{ Frederick van Amstel }.
Assistant Professor at Industrial Design Academic Department (DADIN).
UTFPR, Brazil
http://fredvanamstel.com
http://usabilidoido.com.br
Em ter., 25 de jan. de 2022 às 19:28, Don Norman <[log in to unmask]> escreveu:
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> > A quick mail of thanks too the PhD list. The responses have been
> > wodnerful, presenting me (and all readers) with a very rich history.
>
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> Many of the historical entries are highly relevant to my question, some I
> believe are on related topics but not so relevant to the design practice.
> However, I still have to spend more time reading (and re-reading) the
> submissions, and I might change my mind as I do so. (My thanks also to the
> responses that were sent privately to me.)
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> To everyone who has complained and often suffered the weird threads and
> debates that appear on this list, let me use this outpouring of valuable
> information as a reason to stay on the list. Every single contribution has
> been very useful and informative. I have learned a lot about our history
> and will learn even more as I delve more deeply into the replies.
>
> Don
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