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Re: It is unfortunate when people leave the list

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michal popowsky <[log in to unmask]>

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Tiphaine : extrodinary post. Thank you.
As for myself- Phd in visual textual semiotics,quite versed in lacanian
psychoanalysis, french style educated, involved in deep changes in the
academic level of the teaching of designhere at my place and country- I
have long decided to remain silent. After a time of academic so to call
intellectual exchanges- i came to a point of "dis": disrupt based on a
disagreeable feeling of altogether meeting a PhD- design group made mostly
of males with a stiff linguistic behavior.
My best to you,
Dr. M.P.


בתאריך יום ד׳, 15 ביולי 2020, 11:21, מאת KAZI-TANI Tiphaine ‏<
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> Dear Don, dear all,
>
> I'm part of the list's hoi polloi, the silent many.
> I'm also queer, assigned female at birth, non-anglophone, not tenured and
> workind in a B-list design school. I'm white, valid, with a neuro-typical
> passing.
>
> While most of the posts on the list are informational and cordial, I'm
> unfortunately often disappointed by the barely perceptible signs of
> condescendance if not symbolic violence typical of the "canonical"
> organisation of academia. Academia should be here understood as one of the
> numerous avatars of our democratic institutions that are still infused with
> hierarchical differentialism of all kinds (racism, sexism, classism, agism,
> validism, etc.). That's the reason why I introduced my situation : I'm well
> aware that my individual and collective subjectivity makes me a minor voice
> as well as a prized token in certain circumstances. A prized token when
> academia needs people like me as a badge of good will towards "inclusivity"
> and "openness", a minor voice, mostly unheard if not roughly kept silent,
> when wanting to question the obvious difference of privileges that
> regularly expresses itself here — like many of you, I've seen peers being
> bullied because they were reclaiming their decolonial and feminist
> positions, I've seen peers refusing to check their privileges, for the sake
> of science (?), as if Haraway and Harding's works on the situatedness of
> research and researchers had never existed.
>
> So, I'm sorry to say that, no, to me, it's not just a dozen of trolls
> regularly bullying this list — "a pity, for sure, but you can't help it,
> boys will be boys" — it is the mundane, essentialised and dreadful
> expression of this very differentialist systemic violence who allows some
> to oppress many, in telling them what to think, how to think, to designate
> the expression of their mind as "opinion" or "valuable thinking" regarding
> a validation framework that has been too unsufficiently deconstructed yet.
> I keep in mind the pitiful incidents that opposed The Decolonising Design
> Group and DRS in 2016, then the Papanek Foundation in 2019.
>
> Dear Don, as long as this place won't be safe for female academics to ask
> their male counterparts to "do their homework" as Ahmed Ansari put it, as
> long as young scholars will be lectured, as long as the referential
> framework for design will be rooted in the Western psyche and
> historiography, as long as we won't be able to adress humbly and sincerely
> the most serious ethical issues of systemic violence in design and design
> academia, as long as the privileged among us won't be able to understand
> that they sometimes need to remain silent to welcome us, we'll leave.
> This is what Albert Hirscman has framed in Exit, Voice & Loyalty : while
> many of us are still remaining loyal to the institution and what it has to
> offer, some of us find no other choice than voicing the disagreement and/or
> leave.
> So if you want us to stay, it is the responsability for the most
> privileged to understand how they prevent this place to be an actual safe
> intellectual haven.
> Do your homework.
>
>
> Tiphaine KAZI-TANI,
>
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> De : PhD-Design - This list is for discussion of PhD studies and related
> research in <[log in to unmask]> de la part de Don Norman <
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> Envoyé : mardi 14 juillet 2020 21:21
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> Objet : It is unfortunate when people leave the list
>
> It is unfortunate when people leave the list. Many of you who leave (or
> wish to leave) are precisely those who are needed to make the list more
> constructive and supportive.
>
> Please note that the negative tone is generated by a remarkably small
> number of people -- less than 10 -- where the mailing list is numbered in
> the several thousands.  Do not allow the few to destroy the many.
>
> Long ago I suggested that people refrain from attacking one another. I
> suggested that no response could be longer than 1/2 the length of the
> previous one (some mailing lists I am on follow that rule). By simple
> mathematics, the third post would only be 1/8 as long as the first, at
> which point people tend to stop because the fourth post would be far too
> short to say anything vile.
>
> I failed. Note that unless we switch to a moderated list, we have no
> control over what people post. (Moderated lists have their own problems.)
> ----------
> How do I cope?  I am mostly a reader, not a poster.  I make frequent use of
> the DELETE key. There are 2-3 people whose posts I simply delete without
> looking at the contents. And for the in-depth back and forth nonsense, some
> of which are written by intelligent sensible people who often say
> informative, useful things, (but who can't resist getting into silly,
> useless, uninformative, never-ending fights with a few others),  I read the
> first posts and then DELETE all that follows, without reading any of it.
>
> I refuse to attack others or to respond to attacks. I don't post often. And
> most of those are original contributions -- not responses to others.
>  (When I wish to disagree with someone''s post, I do it by a personal email
> to just that person.)
>
> Please stay.  And please participate more frequently.
>
> Recently, we had an outpouring of wonderful essays where people described
> their backgrounds and interests. It was a wonderful set of postings -- just
> what this list should encourage.  We heard from people who are normally
> silent. Alas, after their single posts, they went silent again.
>
> The best way to change the list is to post more frequently in a positive,
> supportive way.  Do not allow the few to destroy the many.
>
> Don
>
>
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