Dear Gonçalo and Floris,
I agree with Floris - we had this discussion over the past couple of years and finally as a result admitted that we need to call out sexism on the list. It does not work if you do it privately. My message was intended to be a thanks and support message to Tiphanie; I mentioned yours only as an example, and I only put your name in to avoid being criticized for not citing sources.
This morning I talked with a Portuguese speaker, who told me that "He' is more commonly used in Portuguese to refer to all people than it is in English these days. However, she also told me that it is a current issue under debate and so educated people should be aware of this debate. Notwithstanding that, the language of this list is English, Gonçalo is a very fluent speaker of English (I would not have used his example if I did not feel this was the case), and we have had previous discussions about this. Therefore, I feel it is my right and my duty to call out use of non-inclusive language, especially as part of a discussion which has already raised this issue. As Tiphaine said, if you are not sure about how to use more inclusive language in the appropriate way for the list you are on and the language it is conducted in, then do your homework.
Thea
Professor Thea Blackler
Discipline Leader for Experiential Design
(incorporating Industrial, Interaction, Visual Communication and Fashion Design)
School of Design
Queensland University of Technology
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Australia
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From: PhD-Design - This list is for discussion of PhD studies and related research in <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Floris van der Marel
Sent: Friday, 17 July 2020 10:23 AM
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Subject: Re: It is unfortunate when people leave the list
Dear Gonçalo,
As we’re dealing with a systemic issue here, and many of us are guilty of making these mistakes, I don’t think the message should be just sent to you. I think by calling people out in public, we can all grow and become more aware together, rather than one at the time. Don’t take it personally, I don’t think it's your fault or intention, I make these mistakes also, so do native speakers. All we can do, is learn from them, together, and be a little bit better tomorrow than we were today.
Cheers,
Floris
> On 17 Jul 2020, at 3:52 am, Gonçalo Falcão <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Dear Robert,
>
>
> I totally agree with you and I do think this type of questions are important.
> To "grow and be more aware” can and should be done via a private message and not in public; and, as I’ve said before, you have to be aware that there are a lot of non native speakers in the list with which this kind of issues can occur more often. And they should be pointed, And they should be considered.
> Not in public: it shows the type of attitude that is so often criticised by the same persons.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Gonçalo
>
>
>
>
>> On 16 Jul 2020, at 12:26, Robert Hellier <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
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>> Dear Gonçalo
>>
>> The aim is not to humiliate, here it's about awareness as I
>> understand it, we are both a victim and agent of our culture in which
>> we grow up in, to you Gonçalo, I would say in this case its just a
>> matter of allowing our-selfs to grow and be more aware, by
>> acknowledging the small roles we play and the large effect they can have on the world.
>>
>> But in your defence, I think I might be important to consider that
>> over languages can be very gendered like Spanish for example, there
>> is a movement that attempts to combat the issue talked about here for
>> in the Spanish language. I don't have anything to say on Portuguese,
>> am sure Gonçalo is much more informed than myself.
>> We should be more aware that we are both a victim and an agent,
>> culture is just as must of at fault as the individual.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Robert
>>
>> On 16/07/2020 11:19, Gonçalo Falcão wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Thea,
>>> Gonçalo here, the one who writes "he".
>>> Please have in mind that a lot of the subscribers of this list are not native english speakers (I'm from Portugal; is the word native still appropriate?). Nevertheless is my mistake and should be pointed out. Pointing out works better if done in private, not only because is much less humiliating, and specially much more pedagogical.
>>> Would inclusiveness also be being more tolerant and pedagogical with english? This is a PhD list, we're supposed to understand and write in English, but I'm not and will never be as fluent as you.
>>> The point of my text is that an academic is not a designer and is not capable of seeing a lot of things a designer see, and why.
>>> Best regards and thank you for your remark, Gonçalo
>>>> On 15 Jul 2020, at 23:57, Thea Blackler <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>> Thank you Tiphaine for your message. You are entirely right and this has been an issue on the list for some time as you mention. And it is not just the few or just those messages that can be classified as bullying. The other day we had a message about identity as a designer from Gonçalo throughout which the examples (a designer and then a musician) were referred to as "he". The argument that this somehow includes everyone and can really mean any gender is outdated and list posters need to make the effort to use inclusive language. So I would like to back Tiphaine up and say yes please do your homework and think carefully about the language and ideas you use.
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Professor Thea Blackler
>>>> Discipline Leader for Experiential Design (incorporating
>>>> Industrial, Interaction, Visual Communication and Fashion Design)
>>>> School of Design Queensland University of Technology
>>>> 2 George Street Brisbane QLD 4001
>>>> Australia
>>>> Phone: +61 7 3138 7030
>>>> Mobile: +61 410 736494
>>>> Web: https://research.qut.edu.au/designlab/
>>>> Eprints: https://eprints.qut.edu.au/view/person/Blackler,_Thea.html
>>>> Orcid: orcid.org/0000-0002-9406-2645 On Wednesday, July 15, 2020,
>>>> 04:21:31 a.m. EDT, KAZI-TANI Tiphaine
>>>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote: Dear Don, dear all, I'm part of the list's hoi polloi, the silent many.
>>>> I'm also queer, assigned female at birth, non-anglophone, not tenured and working in a B-list design school. I'm white, valid, with a neuro-typical passing.
>>>> While most of the posts on the list are informational and cordial,
>>>> I'm unfortunately often disappointed by the barely perceptible
>>>> signs of condescendence if not symbolic violence typical of the
>>>> "canonical" organisation of academia. Academia should be here
>>>> understood as one of the numerous avatars of our democratic
>>>> institutions that are still infused with hierarchical
>>>> differentialism of all kinds (racism, sexism, classism, agism,
>>>> validism, etc.). That's the reason why I introduced my situation :
>>>> I'm well aware that my individual and collective subjectivity makes
>>>> me a minor voice as well as a prized token in certain
>>>> circumstances. A prized token when academia needs people like me as
>>>> a badge of good will towards "inclusivity" and "openness", a minor
>>>> voice, mostly unheard if not roughly kept silent, when wanting to
>>>> question the obvious difference of privileges that regularly
>>>> expresses itself here -- like many of you, I've seen peers being
>>>> bullied because they were reclaiming their
>> decolonial and feminist positions, I've seen peers refusing to check their privileges, for the sake of science (?), as if Haraway and Harding's works on the situatedness of research and researchers had never existed.
>>>> So, I'm sorry to say that, no, to me, it's not just a dozen of trolls regularly bullying this list -- "a pity, for sure, but you can't help it, boys will be boys" -- it is the mundane, essentialised and dreadful expression of this very differentialist systemic violence who allows some to oppress many, in telling them what to think, how to think, to designate the expression of their mind as "opinion" or "valuable thinking" regarding a validation framework that has been too insufficiently deconstructed yet. I keep in mind the pitiful incidents that opposed The Decolonising Design Group and DRS in 2016, then the Papanek Foundation in 2019.
>>>> Dear Don, as long as this place won't be safe for female academics to ask their male counterparts to "do their homework" as Ahmed Ansari put it, as long as young scholars will be lectured, as long as the referential framework for design will be rooted in the Western psyche and historiography, as long as we won't be able to adress humbly and sincerely the most serious ethical issues of systemic violence in design and design academia, as long as the privileged among us won't be able to understand that they sometimes need to remain silent to welcome us, we'll leave.
>>>> This is what Albert Hirscman has framed in Exit, Voice & Loyalty : while many of us are still remaining loyal to the institution and what it has to offer, some of us find no other choice than voicing the disagreement and/or leave.
>>>> So if you want us to stay, it is the responsability for the most privileged to understand how they prevent this place to be an actual safe intellectual haven.
>>>> Do your homework.
>>>> Tiphaine KAZI-TANI,
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