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Salve,
mi pare che nella canzone di Tozzi (1980) si tratti proprio del
significato 2 dello Zanichelli 1987:
«2. spensierato al punto di essere irresponsabile.»
La canzone fu un grande successo commerciale (avevo 15 anni), ma
non mi ricordo di averla mai collegata né sentita collegare
all'omosessualità. A parte la parola in questione, non c'è niente che
indichi che non si tratti di amore tra uomo e donna: due volte dice «la
vuoi» (= vuoi lei) e parla di un «corpo a forma di esse» e di un figlio
cui trasmettere il colore degli occhi.
L'"Elefante gay" l'ho scoperta oggi. Forse non ebbe una grande
diffusione nel 1984, nonostante le polemiche che suscitò. Probabilmente
a Milano l'omosessualità è stata accettata prima che nella provincia
italiana.
Prima di oggi non conoscevo nemmeno "Onda gay". Non credo proprio
che l'abbiano mai trasmessa alla radio. Quella volta non c'era Youtube.
Dipende anche da come intendiamo il mainstream, ma mi resta
l'impressione che la parola si sia diffusa dopo il 1985, come scrive
Giovanni Dall'Orto, e che entri nell'uso comune con un valore quasi
neutrale ancora più tardi.
Saluti
Giorgio Cadorini
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On 18/06/20 17:24, Elena Porciani wrote:
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>
> Dear Denise,
>
>
> I suggest on the popular music side the songs/L'onda gay /by Renato
> Zero (1980) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FgxApZrPGs] and /Stella
> stai /by Umberto Tozzi (1980) containing the word 'gay'
> (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0HovnqDhRo),
>
> /L'elefante gay /by Erika Mannelli dates back to 1984
> (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdMvFlHJyCo).
>
>
> Ciao,
> Elena
>
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>
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> *Inviato:* giovedì 18 giugno 2020 16:54
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> *Oggetto:* Re: [I-S] When did the loan word "gay" become mainstream in
> Italy?
> italian-studies: Scholarly discussions in any field of Italian studies
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> Dear Denise,
>
> I suggest you get in touch with Professor Pietro Trifone, who teaches
> the history of the Italian language in Roma Tor Vergata University.
>
> You may also want to know what I found years ago while working on
> ideology in dictionaries. Have a look at the incredible entry in a
> Zanichelli dictionary published in 1987:
>
> GAY: Il terzo dei seguenti significati si è sviluppato di recente ed
> ha tristemente reso impossibile l'uso di questa graziosa e utile
> parola nelle sue due più vecchie accezioni:
>
> 1. gaio... vivace...
>
> 2. spensierato al punto di essere irresponsabile.
>
> 3. omosessuale
>
> GAIO. (di persone) light-hearted; (ormai superato) gay; (di colori)
> gay, bright
>
>
> Virginia Browne et al., eds, /Odd pairs and false friends/,
> Zanichelli, Bologna 1987
>
>
> ciao
>
> Giovanni
>
>
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> Il 18/06/20 16:31, DENISE ANNE FILMER ha scritto:
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>> Dear Greg,
>>
>> Many thanks for your input!
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Denise
>>
>> ---
>> Denise Filmer PhD
>> Ricercatore di Lingua e Traduzione - Lingua Inglese L-LIN/12
>> Dipartimento di Filologia, Letteratura e Linguistica
>> Università di Pisa
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>>
>>
>> On 18.06.2020 16:27, Gregory M. Pell wrote:
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>>> Denise and colleagues,
>>> I might suggest looking at Alberto Arbasino's book L'anonimo lombardo
>>> (1959), though I'm not sure about whether he actually used the word
>>> "gay" in it. Instead, I know that in Arbasino's Super-Eliogabalo
>>> (1969), he did use the word "gay."
>>>
>>> I hope that at least orients your research a bit.
>>> Greg
>>>
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>>> Hi Denise,
>>> A few thoughts:
>>> In 'Quando eravamo froci' (2011) Andrea Pini says that 'ne' la parola
>>> ne' la consapevolezza gay sono esistite fino agli anni settanta'.
>>> This would have been in activist circles though, not much more widely.
>>> Alessio Ponzio's work on the Lavorini case (early 1970s) shows how the
>>> mainstream media was still using problematic terms like 'pederasti'
>>> (chapter in 'Queering Italian Media' edited by Sole Anatrone and Julia
>>> Heim). Even into the 1990s books about (and probably principally for)
>>> LGBTQ+ people often have a glossary explaining what words such as '
>>> gay' mean, since it is not assumed that everyone will be familiar with
>>> it.
>>> I am sure that others will have further helpful references.
>>>
>>> Charlotte
>>>
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>>> Dear Colleagues,
>>>
>>> I am doing some research on the audiovisual translation (dubbing from
>>> English to Italian) of the films "Bohemian Rhapsody" and "Rocketman".
>>> I'd be really grateful if any of you can shed light on when the term
>>> "gay" became widely used in heterosexual discourse in Italy. I know
>>> that De Mauro registers "gay" as entering the Italian lexicon in 1959
>>> but I am quite convinced that decades would pass before it was used
>>> and accepted by the mainstream. I need some evidence to support this
>>> theory...can anyone help?
>>>
>>> Many thanks in Advance,
>>>
>>> Denise Filmer
>>>
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