Hear hear, Ursula.
I myself am not bothered by Keith's postings, as they are far too boring to read. I did try — couldn't do it. He seems to be be the type of (generally male) designer who stands on a little piece of paper, traces an outline around his own feet and then stands back to point at the drawing and explain that everything inside the outline is REAL design, and everything outside is NOT.
Let's see. Could I be more insulting? Why yes, easily. [delete paragraph]
Heidi
P.S. Ulm rules.
On Monday, February 11, 2019, 6:07:14 a.m. EST, Ursula Tischner <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Dear members of the PhD List,
I have received some private emails after my last post, so I feel the need to clarify what I wanted to express with my previous sentence.
> "well said Lynn and others,
> I am so tired of this behavior on this list and would love oldish frustrated male members in or shortly before retirement to re-consider what they post BEFORE they post not after…
> thank you !
> Ursula Tischner"
First point: I was still mainly referring to Keith and I thought that was clear, but it seems that it wasn’t.
Second point: And I wasn’t trying to be sexist, racist or ageist but simply describing a phenomenon that many others described before on this list.
Namely, that it is a certain group of people on the PhD-Design list, that seem to enjoy a specific discussion style which is not acceptable for many other members of the list. And unfortunately this small group, as far as I know, is mainly comprised of "a bit older white male professors shortly before or after retirement".
THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT ALL "A BIT OLDER WHITE MALE PROFESSORS" ARE LIKE THAT. Sorry, if my post has left that impression.
To directly address Keith’s post: As I got to know you, Keith, here on the list as an intelligent not naiv and sometimes really funny contributor, I think I can assume that it was clear to you, how provocative your last post about feminization and infantilization of universities is to many on this list, while you were posting it.
So explaining afterwords, that you did not mean to offend anyone is not very credible. Hence my note.
Third point: I like to comment about the latest developments on this list, with Terry and Keith pointing out what was the original purpose of the list and who are the founders and managers etc.
We had so many discussions about the discussion style on this list before.
So that it is hard to believe and actually very sad to understand that a handful of people insisting on dominating the list with their style of contributions (that they seem to enjoy but that many others find unacceptable) drive this list towards extinction.
If the founders and managers truly want to create an opposition between them and their original purpose of the list versus all others (younger, female, more democratic, less narcissistic, more diverse etc.) members of the list, I do not see any future for the list.
The wind of change is blowing not only on this list but almost everywhere. With the me too debate, massive female protests all over the world, from women in India to yellow vests in France, or young Greta Thunberg in Sweden, at the UN or the World Economic Forum. "Women, handicapped and other underprivileged groups" (hey, that is a bad German joke, I hope you understand) do not accept anymore being dominated by older white male guys that are just about to steer the Titanic against the iceberg.
And in my opinion that is actually the disease of our Universities today: that mostly male deans and heads of schools hire still mainly male academics that are not threatening them in their competencies and that are not questioning the system, that are not dangerous to them. It is still about continuing the good old boys network.
Yes, it is true slowly but surely there are more women in higher ranks in policy, in industry and in academia but this process is so slow, that a country like Germany now establishes more and more binding quotes for gender equality, as the voluntary agreements do not really work.
Last point: About Design Research: Every time this list (especially the native english speaking members, again, no offense just an observation) discusses about design research and its origins. I have to think, well, why do they not acknowledge the Ulm School of Design? From all I know it has been the first school in the world that has established research in design and design as a research discipline. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulm_School_of_Design
From 1953 to 1968 in Ulm, Germany it has been the institution to establish a new revolutionary idea about design as a discipline and design education, using the heritage of the Bauhaus but going in many new directions, especially strengthening the connection of science and design.
For more information start here: https://museumulm.de/en/collections/ulm-school-of-design/
Maybe it is due to the fact, that only limited publications about Ulm are available in English? But when the school has been closed many of the teachers went to other countries and continued with the design research activities. So their influence was certainly global.
We are celebrating this year in Germany the anniversary of 100 years of Bauhaus https://www.bauhaus100.com
and 50 years of Ulm…..
And I think most of you know that, I was just wondering, why it is not really mentioned as the origin of design research.
Now, why did I not write about that before? Because I am hesitant to do womensplaining, as probably many other women are on this list. Is that a good thing or not? Well we can discuss about that. As a matter of fact, I think there is a difference in suggesting input and inspiration and sources of knowledge to the list to inspire others and between claiming that you know better than others posting on the list.
So again, I think it comes down to style.
Having written that, I like to invite the handful of people, I was referring to above, to suggesting to the list, how they like to resolve these issues, as it seems that they still like to claim "ownership“ of the list.
Thank you in advance and best regards
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> Dear All,
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> The List Owners are David Durling and Keith Russell.
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