medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
Have you looked at Virginia Davis, 'The Rule of Saint Paul, the First Hermit, in late medieval England' in
Monks, Hermits and the Ascetic Tradition (1985), Studies in Church History vol 22, pp. 203-214
Dr Pat Cullum BA (Hons) DPhil FRHistS, FHEA
School Co-ordinator for Student Experience
School of Music, Humanities and Media
University of Huddersfield
HUDDERSFIELD HD1 3DH
West Yorkshire UK
Tel: + 44 (0)1484 472315
Fax: + 44 (0) 1484 472655
Email: [log in to unmask]
www.hud.ac.uk/mhm/history/
________________________________________
From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of MEDIEVAL-RELIGION automatic digest system [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 16 November 2018 00:02
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: MEDIEVAL-RELIGION Digest - 13 Nov 2018 to 15 Nov 2018 (#2018-158)
There are 4 messages totaling 1158 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Pater nosters as substitute for canonical hours (4)
**********************************************************************
To join the list, send the message: subscribe medieval-religion YOUR NAME
to: [log in to unmask]
To send a message to the list, address it to:
[log in to unmask]
To leave the list, send the message: unsubscribe medieval-religion
to: [log in to unmask]
In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to:
[log in to unmask]
For further information, visit our web site:
http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/medieval-religion
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 15:26:33 +1000
From: Paul Chandler <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Pater nosters as substitute for canonical hours
medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
I'm corresponding with a colleague who is writing on the Carmelite Rule
("formula vitae" between 1206 and 1214, "regula bullata" revised lightly
and approved by Innocent IV in 1247).
He is unimpressed with the provision in par. 11 which provides for hermits
who are literate to recite the canonical hours "with the clerics", and for
those who are not to substitute Pater nosters (50 for Vigils, 15 for
Vespers, 7 for each of the other hours -- he calls it "a legislative mess"
from which no good could come. However, it seems to me a natural resolution
of the situation of a community which contained both literate and
illiterate members. I remember something very similar for the
contemporaneous hermits of Giovanni Bono in central Italy. Giovanni
himself, being illiterate, never attended the Office in church, but
performed his own prayers and prostrations before an icon in his cell,
opening a window so he could hear the chant from the church (it's somewhere
in the lengthy *acta* of his canonisation process, but I can't find the
reference now). Interestingly, the Carmelite Rule does not actually specify
whether the Office should be said in church or in the cell.
I seem to recall that Peter Damien expected his hermits to learn the entire
Psalter by heart, even if they were otherwise illiterate, but I can't find
that reference either.
Does anyone know of bibliography on the use of Pater nosters as a
substitute for the canonical hours in the 12th-13th centuries? Or
distinctions made between literate and non-literate religious?
Very grateful for any pointers. -- Paul
--
Paul Chandler, O.Carm.
Holy Spirit Seminary | PO Box 18 (487 Earnshaw Road) | Banyo Qld 4014
| Australia
office: (07) 3267 4804 | mobile: 044 882 4996
[log in to unmask]
**********************************************************************
University of Huddersfield inspiring tomorrow's professionals.
[http://marketing.hud.ac.uk/_HOSTED/EmailSig2014/EmailSigFooter.jpg]
This transmission is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you receive it in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and remove it from your system. If the content of this e-mail does not relate to the business of the University of Huddersfield, then we do not endorse it and will accept no liability.
**********************************************************************
To join the list, send the message: subscribe medieval-religion YOUR NAME
to: [log in to unmask]
To send a message to the list, address it to:
[log in to unmask]
To leave the list, send the message: unsubscribe medieval-religion
to: [log in to unmask]
In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to:
[log in to unmask]
For further information, visit our web site:
http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/medieval-religion
|