Hello,
First, apologies for the slight radio silence, I've been slightly
overwhelmed with various aspects of work over the past week. And,
secondly, thank you to everyone who has contributed to this discussion:
there been lots of great resources and links contained within, and it's
been fascinating to see how it developed :-)
Anyway, Eric - yes, your paper with David Rose about ESeC is really
interesting (I'm currently in the midst of reading) and seems most
appropriate. Thank you for that.
A little bit more about the problem/situation. I'm working with RECAP:
* http://recap-preterm.eu/
This project aims to bring together around 20 different European preterm
birth cohorts/data registries in order to answer questions that cannot
be answered using just a single national resource. For example, problems
affecting preterm babies who also have intra-uterine growth retardation,
or of babies born preterm in families who have immigrated, etc. Hence,
clearly, some markers of socio-economic status are going to be essential
to include, but of course the many different protocols have used
different indicators and it's not going to be possible to always make
direct comparisons.
Once again, thanks for all the helpful suggestions that have been made :-)
Best wishes,
-- Andrei
On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 11:02:33AM +0000, Harrison, Eric wrote:
> Hi Andrei
>
> It’s not actually as offputting as it might seem. There are multiple versions of cross-national class schemes based on occupation plus employment status with publicly available syntax. Any of these would work with Britain and France for health. I’m not sure if you are talking about the French PCS when you speak of an INSEE developed scheme. There is also an INSEE developed scheme for Eurostat called ESEG which basically just maps ISCO two digit groups to ‘classes’.
>
> Anyway, any occupation based scheme will do the job for you. I was involved with one called ESeC but there are numerous tweaks on this with publicly available syntax.
>
> Cheers
> Eric
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Macfarlane, Alison
> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 10:48:36 AM
> To: Andrei Morgan
> Cc: [log in to unmask]; Harrison, Eric
> Subject: Re: Social class - European comparisons
>
>
> What measures of socio-economic status have you actually recorded? You can only use what you have, even if they have sociological limitations?
>
>
> Alison
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Andrei Morgan <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: 09 January 2018 16:06
> To: Macfarlane, Alison
> Cc: Andrei Morgan; [log in to unmask]; Harrison, Eric
> Subject: Re: Social class - European comparisons
>
> Dear Alison,
>
> Thanks for such a prompt response! I will have a look at the link, and
> look forward to hearing if Eric has any suggestions too.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> -- Andrei
>
> On Tue, Jan 09, 2018 at 03:50:09PM +0000, Macfarlane, Alison wrote:
> > Sorry, forgot the link to the article. https://www.ons.gov.uk/methodology/classificationsandstandards/otherclassifications/thenationalstatisticssocioeconomicclassificationnssecrebasedonsoc2010
> The National Statistics Socio-economic classification (NS ...<https://www.ons.gov.uk/methodology/classificationsandstandards/otherclassifications/thenationalstatisticssocioeconomicclassificationnssecrebasedonsoc2010>
> www.ons.gov.uk
> The National Statistics Socio-economic classification (NS-SEC) The NS-SEC has been constructed to measure the employment relations and conditions of occupations.
>
>
>
> >
> > Alison
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Macfarlane, Alison
> > Sent: 09 January 2018 15:49
> > To: 'Andrei Morgan'; [log in to unmask]
> > Cc: Harrison, Eric
> > Subject: RE: Social class - European comparisons
> >
> > Dear Andrei
> >
> > I suggest looking at how the categories are constructed. Here is a link to an article about the NS-Sec. As you will see from the section 'Classes and collapses', categories can be combined.
> >
> > I am copying this to Eric Harrison, who is an expert on the subject and works on the European Social Survey.
> >
> > Best wishes, Alison
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: email list for Radical Statistics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Andrei Morgan
> > Sent: 09 January 2018 15:41
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Social class - European comparisons
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I'm currently working on a project that is establishing a platform to facilitate comparisons between different European cohorts. One of the major components that will need to be considered is Socio-Economic Status (social class). However, my initial example of a comparison between two countries (I'm starting with France and the UK) suggests that this is a difficult topic. I therefore wondered if anyone on this list has any experience and/or can offer some advice.
> >
> > For a slightly more detailed example:
> >
> > France uses a system developed by INSEE that breaks social class down into 10 different categories. The UK uses the NS-SEC which has 8 different categories - although there are also other classifications such as the NRS system. How do I compare these (that is, how do I compare measurements of patients made using the two different systems)?
> >
> > Many thanks in advance for any help,
> >
> > -- Andrei
> >
> > --
> > Andrei Morgan MRCPCH, MSc, PhD (Epidemiology / Neonatology) https://www.andreimorgan.net
> >
> > Honorary Clinical Lecturer,
> > Department of Neonatology,
> > Institute for Women's Health,
> > University College London
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Andrei Morgan MRCPCH, MSc, PhD (Epidemiology / Neonatology)
https://www.andreimorgan.net
Honorary Clinical Lecturer,
Department of Neonatology,
Institute for Women's Health,
University College London
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