medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
In the context that blessing is different from consecration in this context.
On Tue, August 15, 2017 8:45 pm, Dave Postles wrote:
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> May I ask then about the difference between the Eulogia (Holy Loaf) and
> the consecrated element - in my ignorance again?
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> On Tue, August 15, 2017 8:28 pm, Gary Macy wrote:
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>> I don't know how helpful this is, but in answer to your first question,
>> the terms ordinare, consecrare and benedicere were pretty much
>> interchangeable in the Middle Ages. Pierre-Marie Gy has written, for
>> example, "Le vocabulaire ancient, lui, ne faisait guére de différence
>> entre *ordinare*, *consecrare* et *benedicere*. Toutefoi, au moins à
>> l’époque partistique, *ordinare* est plus large que *consecrare* ou
>> *benedicere* et désigne non
>> seulement la priére d’ordination mais tout le processus ecclesial dont
>> celle-ce fait partie. Le term d’*ordinatio* a d’ailleurs été appliqué
>> par le haut moyen âge aux roi, aux abbés et aux abbesses, et par le
>> doit imperial chrétien aux fonctionnaires civils Quant à *consecratio*
>> et *benedicto*, les sacramentaires romains en font, sans difference
>> apparente, l’appellation proper des priéres d’ordination. Pierre-Marie
>> Gy, “Les
>> anciennes prères d’ordination,” *La Maison-Dieu* 138 (1979), 108-9.
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>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Cormack, Margaret Jean
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>>> I´ve been following the Transsubstantiation discussion with interest.
>>> The
>>> Goering article contained a useful passage pertaining to my first
>>> query below, so I thought it time to send it (and some related ones)
>>> to the list.
>>>
>>> 1) Does anyone know of medieval discussions of the difference between
>>> ‘sanctification’ and ‘consecration’? Are there any other similar
>>> terms that I should be considering? 2) To avoid confusion between
>>> ‘sanctification’ and ‘canonization’, I´ve
>>> been translating ‘sanctification’ as ‘blessing’. Does anyone see any
>>> problems here?
>>>
>>> 3) Related to the above, does the word for ‘chrism’ appear with
>>> verbal usage in any language except Old Norse, where it can mean both
>>> ‘anoint’
>>> and more generally ‘to bless, sanctify’?
>>>
>>> 4) My text (tentatively dated c. 1300) has a tinge that one might
>>> term ‘anti-donatist’; the speaker is making the point that things
>>> blessed by him are made holy by God, not by him, and that, roughly
>>> translated, ‘all God’s
>>> words are effective even though sinful men recite them and perform the
>>> rituals properly, in fear of and obedience to Him’. I´m wondering if
>>> the issues here were major topics of discussion at any time in the
>>> 13th
>>> or early 14th centuries? The point being made throughout the piece is
>>> that the words recited are God’s, not the speaker’s.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Meg
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