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May I ask then about the difference between the Eulogia (Holy Loaf) and
the consecrated element - in my ignorance again?
On Tue, August 15, 2017 8:28 pm, Gary Macy wrote:
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> I don't know how helpful this is, but in answer to your first question,
> the terms ordinare, consecrare and benedicere were pretty much
> interchangeable in the Middle Ages. Pierre-Marie Gy has written, for
> example, "Le vocabulaire ancient, lui, ne faisait guére de différence
> entre *ordinare*, *consecrare* et *benedicere*. Toutefoi, au moins à
> l’époque partistique, *ordinare* est plus large que *consecrare* ou
> *benedicere* et désigne non
> seulement la priére d’ordination mais tout le processus ecclesial dont
> celle-ce fait partie. Le term d’*ordinatio* a d’ailleurs été appliqué
> par le haut moyen âge aux roi, aux abbés et aux abbesses, et par le doit
> imperial chrétien aux fonctionnaires civils Quant à *consecratio* et
> *benedicto*, les sacramentaires romains en font, sans difference
> apparente, l’appellation proper des priéres d’ordination. Pierre-Marie
> Gy, “Les
> anciennes prères d’ordination,” *La Maison-Dieu* 138 (1979), 108-9.
>
> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Cormack, Margaret Jean
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>> I´ve been following the Transsubstantiation discussion with interest.
>> The
>> Goering article contained a useful passage pertaining to my first query
>> below, so I thought it time to send it (and some related ones) to the
>> list.
>>
>> 1) Does anyone know of medieval discussions of the difference between
>> ‘sanctification’ and ‘consecration’? Are there any other similar terms
>> that I should be considering?
>> 2) To avoid confusion between ‘sanctification’ and ‘canonization’, I´ve
>> been translating ‘sanctification’ as ‘blessing’. Does anyone see any
>> problems here?
>>
>> 3) Related to the above, does the word for ‘chrism’ appear with verbal
>> usage in any language except Old Norse, where it can mean both ‘anoint’
>> and more generally ‘to bless, sanctify’?
>>
>> 4) My text (tentatively dated c. 1300) has a tinge that one might term
>> ‘anti-donatist’; the speaker is making the point that things blessed
>> by him are made holy by God, not by him, and that, roughly translated,
>> ‘all God’s
>> words are effective even though sinful men recite them and perform the
>> rituals properly, in fear of and obedience to Him’. I´m wondering if
>> the issues here were major topics of discussion at any time in the 13th
>> or early 14th centuries? The point being made throughout the piece is
>> that the words recited are God’s, not the speaker’s.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions,
>>
>>
>> Meg
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